War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

The Russians are getting a week or two max of training before being sent to the meat grinder. 3-5 weeks of NATO style training goes further than what they're getting.

Let's say that is true (for some). The 300k called up already have military experience, so the amount of training needed isn't necessarily the same as for a new trainee. I would bet that the 2-3 week number you are using are likely the 80k that are already on line that had recent military experience.

You act as though they are just pulling random guys off the streets.

 

[KB5252]

So 30k troops from NATO vs 300k from Russia. OK. You've convinced me.

Also, where is that Million Man Army that 3elensky was talking about this summer?

I don't believe for a second Russia can muster a competent 300k man fighting force. At the very least 2/3rds would be nothing more than fodder. These are people who attempted to escape the draft. They don't want this.

I think at best they muster around 100k effective fighting force.

Who knows, but the fact Russia had to go back to the well shows hire much they underestimated this war. They underestimated once, maybe it happens again? Maybe they win.

 

[KB5252]

Let's say that is true (for some). The 300k called up already have military experience, so the amount of training needed isn't necessarily the same as for a new trainee. I would bet that the 2-3 week number you are using are likely the 80k that are already on line that had recent military experience.

You act as though they are just pulling random guys off the streets.

They are...,..I would say very few 10% or less have prior military experience.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I see he is still dumb.

Yet he speaks the truth.

 

[NCFisher]

Pro-Russian Fighter With Nazi Patches Gets Medal for Killing 'Nazis'
Russian Neo-Nazis Participate in ‘Denazifying’ Ukraine – Der Spiegel - The Moscow Times
Putin’s fascists: the Russian state's long history of cultivating homegrown neo-Nazis
https://euromaidanpress.com/2014/08/27/russian-neo-nazi-kornilovtsy-battalion-operating-in-ukraine/
Who Are The Neo-Nazis Fighting For Russia In Ukraine?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-warlord-who-led-neo-26402909
How Putin cultivated homegrown neo-Nazis for his own ends
Russia’s Wagner Group opens defence tech centre in St Petersburg
Russia’s Wagner Group ‘have as much power in Kremlin as ministers’
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-neo-nazi-mercenaries-who-26667959

For a guy who hates Nazis (or just people enjoying a good schnitzel), Putin sure has plenty working for him, even signing executive orders awarding them "title of hero of the Russian federation"

Russia Says Israeli Mercenaries Have Teamed Up with Nazis in Ukraine - gee, you can't make this stuff up. Are there any Jews left that aren't Nazis now???
Wasn't Trump a Nazi?

 

[FLVOL_79]

So 30k troops from NATO vs 300k from Russia. OK. You've convinced me.

Also, where is that Million Man Army that 3elensky was talking about this summer?

I'm glad you are finally making a distinction between professional soldiers (NATO) and the cannon fodder garbage that Russia has.

 

[AM64]

Well it seems Russia has learned the value of retreating. The've been doing it since March Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson. Sorry, I mean advancing backwards.

Advancing to the rear seems to be the new strategic initiative when you don't do any homework, invade a neighbor, and are getting your butt waxed. What really gets me is people thinking that while the invader is still camped out in the back yard, the homeowner should talk peace which includes giving up part of the yard to the squatters. I suppose that thought is easy for some when it's not their own turf at stake.

 

[LouderVol]

Well, if you had watched the New Atlas video I posted this morning, it would explain the reason why there were 2 missiles.
If you want to see his explanation, it starts at the 9:57 mark.

I dont watch any videos during work hours.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Who knows, but the fact Russia had to go back to the well shows hire much they underestimated this war. They underestimated once, maybe it happens again? Maybe they win.

I think they expected a strong push earlier would force 3elensky to negotiating table. It almost worked until BoJo flew in and scuttled the deal in Turkiye.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[NCFisher]

I'm using mobile, I could probably figure it out on a laptop or desktop

On the iPhone, I put a finger on the link address and hold it there for about a second; a window pops up & I select COPY.
On VN, click the message window to create new post, then press and hold a finger there for a second until PASTE pops up.
And Bob's your uncle...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Advancing to the rear seems to be the new strategic initiative when you don't do any homework, invade a neighbor, and are getting your butt waxed. What really gets me is people thinking that while the invader is still camped out in the back yard, the homeowner should talk peace which includes giving up part of the yard to the squatters. I suppose that thought is easy for some when it's not their own turf at stake.

Using your anaolgy, the country of Ukraine in its present configuration was a creation of the USSR that cobbled together the property of 4 other neighbors (Russia, Hungary, Romania and Poland). So at the very least, all Russia is doing is getting its property back (Novorossiya).

 

[AM64]

You act like $100 billion is just spit in the ocean at a time like this.

Diplomacy is cheaper than war.

Not the way we do diplomacy. Seems like you are confusing "diplomacy" and "capitulation" in any case.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not the way we do diplomacy.

We don't do diplomacy.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Let's say that is true (for some). The 300k called up already have military experience, so the amount of training needed isn't necessarily the same as for a new trainee. I would bet that the 2-3 week number you are using are likely the 80k that are already on line that had recent military experience.

You act as though they are just pulling random guys off the streets.

They literally are.

And the 300k "called up" are reservists. They need plenty of training. Why? Because unlike the USA, Russian reservists just sit on their asses for years/decades with no refresher training. Why? Because Russia is corrupt and inept.

 

[VolStrom]

Don't you know, money is free? A trillion $ for students, a few hundred billion for Ukraine, another trillion for China to supply us with solar panels and wind turbines, what's the big deal?

 

[LouderVol]

You act as though they are just pulling random guys off the streets.

They are.

Why do you think Putin keeps expanding the conscription pool? First it was up to 60. Then it was prisoners. Now its dual citizens and permanent residents.

Have you spent any time with our reservists or Guard units? Most are barely more trained than police.

And I really want to know what conflict(s) Russia is pulling out 300k combat experienced troops from?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Hmm..I remember some group doing this back in the day..what did they call themselves?

Before Retreating From Kherson, Russian Troops Emptied One of Ukraine's Top Museums of Nearly 15,000 Objects | Artnet News

 

[FLVOL_79]

They are.

Why do you think Putin keeps expanding the conscription pool? First it was up to 60. Then it was prisoners. Now its dual citizens and permanent residents.

Have you spent any time with our reservists or Guard units? Most are barely more trained than police.

And I really want to know what conflict(s) Russia is pulling out 300k combat experienced troops from?

Ras (and the other Russian posters) don't know squat about the military, let alone the US one.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not the way we do diplomacy. Seems like you are confusing "diplomacy" and "capitulation" in any case.

Part of diplomacy is give and take... You act like diplomacy is the other side meeting 100% of our terms. Anything less than that, you all call capitualtion.

 

[Burhead]

Part of diplomacy is give and take... You act like diplomacy is the other side meeting 100% of our terms. Anything less than that, you all call capitualtion.

I would be willing to do a deal where Russia keeps Crimea but withdraws from the east but ultimately its not our call.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not the way we do diplomacy. Seems like you are confusing "diplomacy" and "capitulation" in any case.

And of what strategic importance does Ukraine have with the average person in the US? Or for that matter, what significant importance does Przewodow, Poland... a place I guarantee 100% of you clowns have never heard of before yesterday, have for Americans? Yet, you all were rubbing your hands together and smacking your lips hoping for an Article 5 triggering.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I would be willing to do a deal where Russia keeps Crimea but withdraws from the east but ultimately its not our call.

That was the original Minsk agreement.

 

[AM64]

It's funny because in the first 7-8 months, when they avoided such missile strikes, you clowns called it ineptitude... because that is one of the very first things the US would have done. Now that they have stepped it up, now it is an act of terrorism.

Just so that you are on the record, but what would you call the Kyiv Regime bombing of the Donbas over the last 8 years?

What we have done first (not going back to the WW1 or so) is to knock out enemy air defenses and command and communication systems. Sometimes the most expedient manner to do that is to take out power grids where all that happens. If those are co-located with civilians, that's life - we didn't choose where an enemy decided to place those. That's not at all like Russians dumping missiles on population centers just because they can - that kind of thing ranks right up there with Iraq terrorizing Israel with SCUDs. There will always be civilian casualties in war, but there's no good reason to target them with the advent of more precise weapons. Russia could simply have stayed home and not killed or maimed anybody.

 

[Burhead]

That was the original Minsk agreement.

I mean no more DNR/LNR puppets completely under Ukrainian control and no federalization. Anyone who supported the uprisings would be pardoned as long as they didn't commit war crimes or crimes against humanity and promise never again to take up arms and those who don't want to stay would be granted safe passage to Russia.