War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

I would be willing to do a deal where Russia keeps Crimea but withdraws from the east but ultimately its not our call.

Unbelievable that you would post this 9 months later.

 

[Septic]

We don't do diplomacy.

We?

How many times do I have to remind you?

You aren't one of us.

You're rooting against the U.S. and the west. EAD Ras, you're a pootin sychophant and you will remain the subject of our mockery and disdain, stop pretending to be an objective bystander.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I mean no more DNR/LNR puppets completely under Ukrainian control and no federalization. Anyone who supported the uprisings would be pardoned as long as they didn't commit war crimes or crimes against humanity and promise never again to take up arms and those who don't want to stay would be granted safe passage to Russia.

That would have been a non-starter. The coup of 2014 removed their elected/preferred candidate.

And what is wrong with federalization?

 

[AM64]

Not much of anything recently except let them cross the border. But of course, that is because that is achieving a political goal for the corrupt leaders in this country. But even you know that there are several historical examples of us crossing over and the US using the same or similar justifications that Russia is using right now.

We might be justified in crossing the Mexican border - that's iffy; it certainly wouldn't hurt my feelings since Mexico is doing nothing at all to stop people from entering and crossing Mexico to reach the US border. Mexico doesn't seem to be doing much to stop their cartels from producing and transporting drugs into the US either. Should we just send cruise missiles their way and take care of that ourselves? Wouldn't hurt my feelings there either if we did. Why we don't do more may be up for debate; we certainly have reason but have been restrained - unlike what Russia has done in Ukraine - which is a simple land grab.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

What we have done first (not going back to the WW1 or so) is to knock out enemy air defenses and command and communication systems. Sometimes the most expedient manner to do that is to take out power grids where all that happens. If those are co-located with civilians, that's life - we didn't choose where an enemy decided to place those. That's not at all like Russians dumping missiles on population centers just because they can - that kind of thing ranks right up there with Iraq terrorizing Israel with SCUDs. There will always be civilian casualties in war, but there's no good reason to target them with the advent of more precise weapons. Russia could simply have stayed home and not killed or maimed anybody.

OK, now you are lying. They are clearly targeting the very same infrastructure targets that you say the US would do. If anything, you ignore that type of attacks on the people of Donbas by the Kyiv regime. You could give a f*** about those innocent civilians.

 

[Burhead]

That would have been a non-starter. The coup of 2014 removed their elected/preferred candidate.

And what is wrong with federalization?

You don't reward kids for throwing a temper tantrum.

They started this mess, they don't get to benefit from it.

 

[AM64]

So 30k troops from NATO vs 300k from Russia. OK. You've convinced me.

Also, where is that Million Man Army that 3elensky was talking about this summer?

You train the trainers. Teach a cadre and they in turn have the knowledge to teach the rest. The N Vietnamese used that very effectively to train insurgents in S Vietnam.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We might be justified in crossing the Mexican border - that's iffy; it certainly wouldn't hurt my feelings since Mexico is doing nothing at all to stop people from entering and crossing Mexico to reach the US border. Mexico doesn't seem to be doing much to stop their cartels from producing and transporting drugs into the US either. Should we just send cruise missiles their way and take care of that ourselves? Wouldn't hurt my feelings there either if we did. Why we don't do more may be up for debate; we certainly have reason but have been restrained - unlike what Russia has done in Ukraine - which is a simple land grab.

We have as much reason to go across the border now as Russia does. I would all 8 years between 2014 and now retrained in Russia's credit, but WTF is the US doing? Far longer than 8 years... Should have been addressed decades ago, to be honest. But the people running this country have an interest in having an open border here, but wanting to defend the borders of Ukraine.

The stupidest s^^t you can think of...

 

[KB5252]

On the iPhone, I put a finger on the link address and hold it there for about a second; a window pops up & I select COPY.
On VN, click the message window to create new post, then press and hold a finger there for a second until PASTE pops up.
And Bob's your uncle...

Bob is my uncle huh?

 

[Septic]

And of what strategic importance does Ukraine have with the average person in the US? Or for that matter, what significant importance does Przewodow, Poland... a place I guarantee 100% of you clowns have never heard of before yesterday, have for Americans? Yet, you all were rubbing your hands together and smacking your lips hoping for an Article 5 triggering.

The enemy of our enemy is our friend, dimwit. I'm on board with shipping weapons to any country willing to stand up to these trailer park terrorists. If nothing else, this whole situation has shined a light on how trashy that pathetic excuse for a world power really is.

Imagine how embarrassing it would be for the U.S. to be losing a war to Mississippi. It has to be humiliating for a Russian sympathizer like you. And when no rational adult buys into your deflection and redirection of blame - it's got to be numbing. How do you muster the courage to keep getting your teeth kicked in day after day of supporting a bunch of losers?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You don't reward kids for throwing a temper tantrum.

The Donbas isn't the one that threw the temper tantrum, genius. They didn't overthrow the govt. Are you serious right now?

They started this mess, they don't get to benefit from it.

Donbas had nothing to do with that coup. So no, they didn't start anything.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You train the trainers. Teach a cadre and they in turn have the knowledge to teach the rest. The N Vietnamese used that very effectively to train insurgents in S Vietnam.

I didn't question the method of training. I'm questioning the numbers. 30k vs the Million Man Army that 3elensky was bumping his gums about. Where are they?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The enemy of our enemy is our friend, dimwit.

That is dumb political policy... and expensive. So what are going to do, arm every enemy of Russia, China and Iran?

 

[Burhead]

The Donbas isn't the one that threw the temper tantrum, genius. They didn't overthrow the govt. Are you serious right now?


Donbas had nothing to do with that coup. So no, they didn't start anything.

No they simply decided to take over government buildings, declare themselves independent, and support a foreign power over their homeland. They didn't even give the new government a chance to meet with them. You seem all about diplomacy but the DNR/LNR chose a violent uprising instead of using diplomacy to resolve any differences between the eastern provinces and the new central government.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

No they simply decided to take over government buildings, declare themselves independent, and support a foreign power over their homeland. They didn't even give the new government a chance to meet with them. You seem all about diplomacy but the DNR/LNR chose a violent uprisings instead of using diplomacy to resolve any differences between the eastern provinces and the new central government.

No different than what the Maidan clowns did, genius.

Are you serious?

 

[Septic]

I didn't question the method of training. I'm questioning the numbers. 30k vs the Million Man Army that 3elensky was bumping his gums about. Where are they?

Is using a 3 instead of a Z supposed to be a dis?

For us American's who aren't savvy on Russian slang or Adidas track suit, vodka swilling culture - can you enlighten us on why you use a 3 ?

 

[AM64]

Using your anaolgy, the country of Ukraine in its present configuration was a creation of the USSR that cobbled together the property of 4 other neighbors (Russia, Hungary, Romania and Poland). So at the very least, all Russia is doing is getting its property back (Novorossiya).

I've posted at least twice the maps and treaty signed by Ukraine and Russia and filed away at the UN. There are a bunch of sectional maps delineating the Ukraine/Russia border. Russian troops are on the wrong side. End of story.

 

[Septic]

That is dumb political policy... and expensive. So what are going to do, arm every enemy of Russia, China and Iran?

I hope so.

Proxy wars where our enemy gets sh*t on and American lives aren't risked - heck yeah. All day.

You posted all the gagillions of dollars that the U.S. has sent to Ukraine? How much of that was equipment value versus cash?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Is using a 3 instead of a Z supposed to be a dis?

For us American's who aren't savvy on Russian slang or Adidas track suit, vodka swilling culture - can you enlighten us on why you use a 3 ?

Because early on in this war, the letter "Z" was cancelled. So I'm just showing my respect to 3elensky.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I've posted at least twice the maps and treaty signed by Ukraine and Russia and filed away at the UN. There are a bunch of sectional maps delineating the Ukraine/Russia border. Russian troops are on the wrong side. End of story.

European maps change all the time. That is exactly why George Washington warned us about getting involved in their affairs. This conflict had nothing to do with us.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I hope so.

Proxy wars where our enemy gets sh*t on and American lives aren't risked - heck yeah. All day.

You posted all the gagillions of dollars that the U.S. has sent to Ukraine? How much of that was equipment value versus cash?

And we will continue to go broke and get wrapped up in these senseless conflicts that we always come up short on.

 

[Septic]

Because early on in this war, the letter "Z" was cancelled. So I'm just showing my respect to 3elensky.

LOL, that's about right for you.

Your nut hugging butthurt for Russia runs deeper than I imagined.

It must be hard to watch Zelensky best Putin in every aspect of leadership.

 

[Septic]

And we will continue to go broke and get wrapped up in these senseless conflicts that we always come up short on.

So you don't know?

Because I can't think of a better use of the equipment that was designed to sh*t on Russia to actually be used for such a task. Right now, it would appear that the equipment we've provided is proving to be effective for the very task it was procured for.

Finally, American tax dollars are being put to good use.

 

[Velo Vol]

You're rooting against the U.S. and the west. EAD Ras, you're a pootin sychophant and you will remain the subject of our mockery and disdain, stop pretending to be an objective bystander.

His true "we"

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So you don't know?

Because I can't think of a better use of the equipment that was designed to sh*t on Russia to actually be used for such a task. Right now, it would appear that the equipment we've provided is proving to be effective for the very task it was procured for.

Finally, American tax dollars are being put to good use.

Where is their air defense? Where are the Warthogs? Where are the Abrams tanks? Where is the Million Man Army? Where is Starlink? Where are those switchblade drones? How is that Kerch Bridge attack working out?