War in Ukraine

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MontyPython said:
If they drive to the coast near Melitopol, they can both cut off the East/West supply line to Crimea AND be in range to hit the Kerch Bridge.

Net/Net: Russian troops cut off. It's Kherson Pt. II.
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In theory it sounds good but it would open up two flanks to defend and possible hinge manuevers out of the northeast....... Though I'm beginning to doubt Russian capabilities.

Ukraine needs to be able to rule the sky above it's territory and fly planes to the south to hammer Russian troops cut off for that to work.
 
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KB5252 said:
In theory it sounds good but it would open up two flanks to defend and possible hinge manuevers out of the northeast....... Though I'm beginning to doubt Russian capabilities.

Ukraine needs to be able to rule the sky above it's territory and fly planes to the south to hammer Russian troops cut off for that to work.
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There's No air power of any consequence for either side. Russia's even jamming our JDAMs and HIMARS now.
 
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MontyPython said:
There's No air power of any consequence for either side. Russia's even jamming our JDAMs and HIMARS now.
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I know, but without it I don't think Ukraine can win a decisive victory and accomplish cutting off Russian forces without being caught in a pincer manuever.
 
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LouderVol said:
I know its not happening, but it would have been great timing if they could have started their counteroffensive while Russia was doing the Victory Day Parades.

Hopefully the Ukrainians pick some limited strategic goals and stick to them. Try to do too much and Russia will absolutely make them pay. Not sure what all their next goals would be.

Could be to push south from Kherson. Push towards Crimea. I would say push into Crimea but that is a huge bottleneck, and they would need to push decently far east to secure that access. if they didn't get into Crimea itself I am not sure it does a lot for them. maybe push into Melitopol. I kinda like this idea the best. Doesn't give them a big win, but it sets them up for another offensive. and they would have choices the next time. They could then push south or east, and stand to gain.

Maybe they strike around Bakhmut, relieve the pressure there. Would be a big moral victory, but not very strategic imo. it could cut one of the Russian supply lines, which would make attacking Bakhmut a lot less preferable to Russia.

Pushing Dontesk/Mauripol would be another option. Kinda similar to pushing towards Crimea it would separate some Russian forces. But it also would leave them in between two Russian forces which isn't ideal. Not sure where the closest River would be to have a natural border to help protect a flank. IF accomplished it would defnitely change the calculus Russia is using.

Maybe something up near Severodonetsk. But again I am not sure they will be able to hold if they just create a salient. but this may be less defended, Ukraine was able to make large territorial gains in the area the last time.

maybe they just keep pushing from the Kharkiv direction. secure some more of the border, would help redirect some Russian logistics.
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Too bad Ukraine can't take Crimea before summer and keep Russians from going there for the beaches. "Redneck Rivera" is taken; we need to find a new term for Crimean tourist destinations.
 
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We haven’t seen such an overwhelming display of Russian military might since the last thwarted Russian attack in Bakhmut 😂

Putin leads scaled-back Victory Day in Moscow as war in Ukraine comes under mounting pressure

More than 10,000 people and 125 units of various types of weapons and equipment were expected to be displayed at this year's parade, according to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. Last year the ministry announced 11,000 people and 131 types of weapons were involved in the military parade, with an airshow of 77 aircraft and helicopters.

But there was just one ancient World War II-era T-34 tank leading the mechanized column on Tuesday, as Moscow seemingly toned down its annual parade.
 
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LouderVol said:
the Russians are fielding T64s, what do you think took out enough T-90s, T-80s, T-72s to an extent where T-64s were needed? Javelins and other western provided MANPADS are probably the number 1 contributor.
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Flying tanks? My god.

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turbovol said:
It's incomprehensible that we haven't given Ukraine the long-range missiles it needs. With them Ukraine could probably ensure the success of its coming counter-offensive. It may succeed anyway, but the long-range missiles could really put paid to Russia's rear suppy operations in Crimea and make the job lots easier. The idea that we don't want any "escalation" of the war is fairly absurd at this point: It's a war, it's been escalated. We've provided a huge amount of assistance, but our slow, incremental approach to weapons supply continues to be an issue.
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So to be clear, you are admitting that the US is at war with Russia?
 
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scooty_vol said:
I don't pretend Ukraine is some wonderful government, I think both governments are bad. I know Russia should not have invaded but since they did, I don't think Ukraine will be able to defend unless the US brings in troops.
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Explain why you think Russia should not have invaded. And in your explanation, keep in mind what the US would do of we were in the same situation and be equally ready to condemn our actions...
 
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AM64 said:
Too bad Ukraine can't take Crimea before summer and keep Russians from going there for the beaches. "Redneck Rivera" is taken; we need to find a new term for Crimean tourist destinations.
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Crimea was been Russian before the United States existed. Just stop...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yet Russia continues to advance...
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Yeah… Bakhmut is going swimmingly. Even if they somehow manage to take it which is highly doubtful at the moment it is the textbook definition of a Pyrrhic Victory.

And about Bakhmut after 9+ months we’re still waiting on that imminent victory, Moe.

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Explain why you think Russia should not have invaded. And in your explanation, keep in mind what the US would do of we were in the same situation and be equally ready to condemn our actions...
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It’s all political and elites. The Russian citizens didn’t want to invade Ukraine. The citizens are who is fighting his war, not volunteers.
 
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