War in Ukraine

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Couple of weeks of sunny weather (drying out the winter mud) and we'll see how those newly constructed defensive positions hold up to the Leopard assault teams. This could well be the last major manned tank battle in history. Thirty years from now the tanks will all be drones. But wow, that open, flat ground. Nothing like it since WW2, except the Iraq war (and the Warthogs changed the equation there).
 
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WBO said:
Couple of weeks of sunny weather (drying out the winter mud) and we'll see how those newly constructed defensive positions hold up to the Leopard assault teams. This could well be the last major manned tank battle in history. Thirty years from now the tanks will all be drones. But wow, that open, flat ground. Nothing like it since WW2, except the Iraq war (and the Warthogs changed the equation there).
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I never agree with you politically, but this is a good take. The entire battlefield will change over the next 3 years.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I never agree with you politically, but this is a good take. The entire battlefield will change over the next 3 years.
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Ukraine has definitely changed my thoughts about the A-10. I can't see how it would be survivable in Ukraine or many other places today. So much has changed in armaments both air defense and what you'd have to call precision artillery. Up until this point I've been adamant about keeping A-10s active, and I still don't see F-35s replacing them.
 
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WBO said:
Couple of weeks of sunny weather (drying out the winter mud) and we'll see how those newly constructed defensive positions hold up to the Leopard assault teams. This could well be the last major manned tank battle in history. Thirty years from now the tanks will all be drones. But wow, that open, flat ground. Nothing like it since WW2, except the Iraq war (and the Warthogs changed the equation there).
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Unfortunately for them, Russia is sort of scraping the bottom of the barrel now for tanks 😂

Ironically, the T-34 was also the main star of the biggest land tank battle in history at Kursk. The Russians are now forced to rely on it again 80 years later. You can’t make this stuff up
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Crimea was been Russian before the United States existed. Just stop...
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yeah but they held it for less time than the US has been around, so your point isn't as strong as you think. Russia was part of the Mongol Empire before the US too, has relevant is that?
and then it stopped being Russian when they became the Soviets in 1918/1920. because remember, those are two completely separate entities with no ties to each other. and only a fool ever considers Russia the same as the soviets. and Russia never regained it, and even signed multiple treaties as Russia stating Crimea was Ukrainian.

1783 to 1920 it was Russian. I will just ignore all the uprisings during this time when Russia didn't do much actual ruling in the area. 137 years.
Russia then disappeared. And the Soviets appeared, remember two completely different entities. The Soviets kept Crimea until 1954. 34 years
The Soviets gave Ukraine Crimea, and they kept it till the fall of the Soviet Empire in 1991. 37 years
After the dissolution of the Soviet Republic and all the member nations became things again, Russia signed a treaty confirming Crimea was Ukrainian in 1994, Ukraine kept Crimea until 2014 when Russia invaded with little green men. 23 years.

Crimea hadn't been Russian for 94 years. you always forget that pretty long interruption.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Unfortunately for them, Russia is sort of scraping the bottom of the barrel now for tanks 😂

Ironically, the T-34 was also the main star of the biggest land tank battle in history at Kursk. The Russians are now forced to rely on it again 80 years later. You can’t make this stuff up
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There are reports of T-55s being shipped west on train cars. That is a tank designed in 1945 and mass produced through the 50's as their main battle tank. Actually more T-55s were built than any other tank in history.

But it is 4 generations behind the Leopard, especially in targeting. It has a 100mm gun up against 120mm on most NATO tanks. Word is they are going to use them as mobile artillery and avoid tank-to-tank. Interesting. It carries around 40 rounds. Would they load them completely with HE and not anti-armor? If they did that and one encountered a Leopard the crew of the 55 will wish they had ejection seats.
 
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