War in Ukraine

[hog88]

When’s Ukraine going to get off their ass and use all of this “aid” we’ve given them? We’ve been hearing about this spring offensive for months, hello it’s spring let’s kill some Russians so we can cut then money pump off.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The reality is that the weapons Russia dreamed up in the 2010s were still just attempts to counter or copy our tech from the 70s.

Exactly right.

 

[Velo Vol]

When’s Ukraine going to get off their ass and use all of this “aid” we’ve given them? We’ve been hearing about this spring offensive for months, hello it’s spring let’s kill some Russians so we can cut then money pump off.

 

[Septic]

When’s Ukraine going to get off their ass and use all of this “aid” we’ve given them? We’ve been hearing about this spring offensive for months, hello it’s spring let’s kill some Russians so we can cut then money pump off.

Grumpy old man.

"get off my lawn!"

 

[norrislakevol]

The reality is that the weapons Russia dreamed up in the 2010s were still just attempts to counter or copy our tech from the 70s.

Well, that's what commies do. Free thinkers and free doers are what makes the world go round. Those in a closed society or closed mind set like communism/socialism don't get the opportunity to think freely and develop things like people in the U.S., Europe, Canada, and Australia for example. Think the Chinese military is some kind of invincible force that can smash western armies? I think not.

 

[AM64]

Well, that's what commies do. Free thinkers and free doers are what makes the world go round. Those in a closed society or closed mind set like communism/socialism don't get the opportunity to think freely and develop things like people in the U.S., Europe, Canada, and Australia for example. Think the Chinese military is some kind of invincible force that can smash western armies? I think not.

As long as we stay off Chinese turf. There are a lot of them - ants aren't big, but they do turn out in numbers to spoil a picnic. What the Chinese don't have they can make up in numbers if you play their game - our guys facing them in Korea when they crossed the Yalu can tell you all about that. Numbers favored them up north until logistical needs caught up with them. The issue is going to come down to how can you defeat a numerically superior enemy while staying off his turf assuming nukes are off the table. Apparently MacArthur realized it, but Truman wisely didn't want to go that route.

That's also an endgame problem for Ukraine - a positive ending to the war without invading Russia.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Oh darn, no Vladivostok weekend getaways. I guess Bali, Paris, London, Hawaii, the French Riviera, Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, ..... will have to do.

I'm pretty sure no one on the list is knocking on the door wanting in. Putin remains the master strategist.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Sloppy Joe is going to get the US further entangled in all of this….
‘Big step’: U.S. joins major effort to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s, other jets

 

[Septic]

Sloppy Joe is going to get the US further entangled in all of this….
‘Big step’: U.S. joins major effort to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s, other jets

Further? We're balls deep already.

 

[WBO]

When’s Ukraine going to get off their ass and use all of this “aid” we’ve given them? We’ve been hearing about this spring offensive for months, hello it’s spring let’s kill some Russians so we can cut then money pump off.

Quit complaining, you'e not on the ground there so you don't really know what conditions are. But we know you don't support aid to Ukraine anyway.

Here's something to help explain what's going on.

Why Ukraine's spring offensive still hasn't begun — with summer just weeks away

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

When done correctly, equipment is dispersed making it harder to destroy everything with one strike. Better to lose one launcher than to lose a radar or control van (with operators) controlling multiple launchers. Losing a launcher cripples the site; losing the ability to search, target, and direct puts you out of business.

Well, it appears the Patriot system was damaged severely or destroyed, else, they wouldn't now be pivoting to sending Iron Dome.

Gen. Karbler said that among two Iron Dome batteries in US inventories, one is ready to go if needed:

“One completed new equipment training, new equipment fielding. It is prepared for deployment. The other one is wrapping up its new equipment training right now. So the army does have one available for deployment if we get a request,” he said.​

Ukraine is a vast territory being attacked by Russian aerial bombardments from multiple sides, and even from the Black Sea. The Jerusalem Post also noted analysis this week--

“If Israel needs 10 or more Iron Domes to properly defend itself, Ukraine would need dozens or more, which simply do not exist.”​

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[WBO]

Sloppy Joe is going to get the US further entangled in all of this….
‘Big step’: U.S. joins major effort to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s, other jets

You mean you don't want to see NATO trained pilots, even in Generation 3.5 jets, take on frontline Russian pilots in their Gen 4.5 fighters? I am positively aroused by this.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well, it appears the Patriot system was damaged severely or destroyed, else, they wouldn't now be pivoting to sending Iron Dome.

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[Rasputin_Vol]

As I said Western jets will be in Ukraine before too long.

And when the F-16s fail to change the direction of the conflict, what do we do next? Go to the negotiating table or continue to escalate?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You called it. I will say training takes the better part of one year, give or take depending on aircraft type. Going to be a while before UKR pilots are proficient in F16s, assuming some aren’t already in the states training on them. Seems like finding other countries willing to send Migs or SUs would expedite matters.

A year?

Exclusive: U.S. could train Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16s in 4 months

Nothing could go wrong.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Bakhmut alone may end up being worse for Russia than the entire Vietnam war was for the US.

If the Russians had lost 70k in Bakhmut, then Wagner and Putin's former chef would be nonexistent right now. There are barely 10k Wagnerites in the city and they are the ones doing the most close contact fighting.

 

[Carl Pickens]

You mean you don't want to see NATO trained pilots, even in Generation 3.5 jets, take on frontline Russian pilots in their Gen 4.5 fighters? I am positively aroused by this.

Send your son or grandchildren to join the fight when the US gets pulled into the conflict.

 

[WBO]

And when the F-16s fail to change the direction of the conflict, what do we do next? Go to the negotiating table or continue to escalate?

2 squadrons of F-22s would handle that nicely. You could probably do it with retired Raptor driver who never got to kill anything on active duty. I'll bet they would do it for free just to have the chance to be in the 6 on a Russian fighter.

 

[hog88]

Quit complaining, you'e not on the ground there so you don't really know what conditions are. But we know you don't support aid to Ukraine anyway.

Here's something to help explain what's going on.

Why Ukraine's spring offensive still hasn't begun — with summer just weeks away

Excuses.

 

[Burhead]

Send your son or grandchildren to join the fight when the US gets pulled into the conflict.

A year into the war and we haven't gotten dragged in. Stop parroting Russian talking points about a larger conflict.

 

[WBO]

Send your son or grandchildren to join the fight when the US gets pulled into the conflict.

No grandkids yet. But as of last week for the first time in 51 years, due to the retirement of my niece, neither I nor any member of my immediate family is on active duty. One family member is on 90% disability from wounds in Iraq. Father was wounded in WW 2, grandfather wounded badly in WW 1. I think we've had skin in the game for a long time.

Next stupid comment.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

A year into the war and we haven't gotten dragged in. Stop parroting Russian talking points about a larger conflict.

Mission creep is real. I asked you before when we sent in Patriots and now F-16s... what is the next step if these weapons are not the gamechangers that you all hope for? Do we negotiate a peace deal or do we escalate? Looks like you are in the crowd that supports the "whatever it takes" strategy. So right now, we are moving in the direction of a direct conflict between NATO and Russia. It likely will not be the US necessarily with boots on the ground, but it will likely be Poland, Germany, The Baltic States and/or Romania.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Time to throw another $50 billion...

The end of Ukraine aid is rapidly approaching. Reupping it won’t be easy

Well well... looks like they found another $3 billion somewhere. How convenient...

Accounting Error In Zelensky's Favor: Collect $3 Billion In Extra Weapons | ZeroHedge

Just three days after Politico reported the latest authorization of military aid to Ukraine was on pace to run out in mid-summer, the Pentagon on Thursday disclosed it had made an accounting error with previous weapon shipments, overvaluing them by about $3 billion.

And just like that, the Pentagon says it's now free to hand over another $3 billion in weapons, ammunition and supplies without asking Congress for approval.

 

[MontyPython]

And when the F-16s fail to change the direction of the conflict, what do we do next? Go to the negotiating table or continue to escalate?

Come back and talk in a couple months when Russia loses their land connection to Crimea chump.

 

[Carl Pickens]

A year into the war and we haven't gotten dragged in. Stop parroting Russian talking points about a larger conflict.

Research how the US ended up in Vietnam