War in Ukraine

[tvolsfan]

If we know Ukraine blew up nordstream, leaking it after Russia blew up that dam is great timing.

 

[NCFisher]

What @NCFisher left out of his rant was the fact that the CIA/US Govt funded Bandera in the 1940s/1950s as they were conducting terror operations in the USSR. So yes, they do have a recent history of attacking Russians/Soviets (with the US as a sponsor).

Ukraine: The CIA’s 75-year-old Proxy

On the occasion of the German invasion of the Soviet Union, the OUN put up posters in the western Ukrainian city of Lvov that read:

Do not throw away your weapons now. Take them in your hands. Destroy the enemy.…People! Know! Moscow, Poland, the Hungarians, the Jews are your enemies. Destroy them!…Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes! Glory to the Leader! [Bandera]​

Notably, this call for ethnic cleansing does not cite the Germans then occupying Ukraine, yet the fascist and neo-Nazi propagandists who are waging a war in the Donbas region today portray their forebearers as heroes for having defended Ukrainian nationalism from the Soviets and Germany. The Pentagon successfully pressed Congress to lift restrictions on training and providing military assistance to groups, such as the Azov Battalion, that are based on fascist or neo-Nazi ideology.

For a disclosure of CIA involvement with WWII-era Ukraine nationalists, you could've referenced their release detailing how CIA sought - AFTER the war - to establish intel channels into the Soviet communists: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/STUDIES IN INTELLIGENCE NAZI - RELATED ARTICLES_0015.pdf
"The sometimes brutal war record of many emigre groups became blurred as they became more critical to the CIA. DCI Hillenkoetter, for example, gave the chairman of the Displaced Persons Commission an ambiguous answer when the latter asked for a status report on some of the ethnic groups CIA used. Hillenkoetter did not deny that many emigres had sided-with the Nazis, but did so, he said, less out of "a pro-German or pro-Fascist orientation, but from a strong anti-Soviet bias. In many cases their motivation was primarily nationalistic and patriotic with their espousal of the German cause determined by the national interests."

Instead, you chose a Marxist publication for your daily nutritional-bias requirements. No wonder your arguments sound like the leftists who still lament the USSR demise.

Why would WWII-era Ukrainians living under Soviet rule, 'cite Germans then occupying Ukraine' when your own Marxist article provides that answer:
The OUN-German alliance in 1941 was backed by the leaders of the Ukrainian Orthodox and the Ukrainian Greek Catholic churches. The latter’s archbishop, Andrey Sheptytsky, penned a pastoral letter that declared:
We greet the victorious German Army as deliverer from the enemy. We render our obedient homage to the government which has been erected. We recognize Mr. Yaroslav Stetsko as Head of State… of the Ukraine. That is, the communist Soviet enemy ruling Ukraine.

Further, the 'posters' in Lviv were actually a four-page placard against Russian rule; it mentions Jews once. Why mention them at all?

The Pale of Settlement region where borders of Poland/Lithuania, Belarus and W. Ukraine abutted, transformed Russia from having a neglible population of Jews to holding the largest grouping of them (40%) globally when Russia conquered the area. in addition to the antisemitism long prevalent in Europe. including Russia from Cossack, Tsar to Stalin, many Jews became Soviet communists. These Jews (Yevsektsiya)- Jewish by lineage but communist by ideology - had fully on-boarded & even assumed lead in Soviet suppression of Hebrew language and Zionists, and Muscovite pogroms. The Pale is the region where Stalin 'liquidated' inmates, primarily W. Ukraine, upon Hitler's invasion: The 1941 NKVD Prison Massacres in Western Ukraine | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

Thus, Ukraine Jews came to be associated with the communist Soviets ruling Ukraine. For a concise history of Soviet commie Jewry: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/american-jews-idealize-soviet-communism To paraphrase, 'Why Do American Apologists for Putin Mimic Disenfranchised Western Communist Jews?'

Azov is 1000 guys in Ukrainian armed forces of 250,000. Jews serve in it (Azov) as soldiers and officers, in addition to it being financed by wealthy Jews. It is preposterous, then or now, to assert Ukraine nationalists were loyalists of German Nazism rather than Ukraine nationalism.

 

[NCFisher]

@Rasputin_Vol Speaking of 'Nazis!', I never heard back from the Putin clique here on this; in fairness, perhaps you didn't see it...

Pro-Russian Fighter With Nazi Patches Gets Medal for Killing 'Nazis'
Russian Neo-Nazis Participate in ‘Denazifying’ Ukraine – Der Spiegel - The Moscow Times
Putin’s fascists: the Russian state's long history of cultivating homegrown neo-Nazis
Russian neo-Nazi “Kornilovtsy” battalion operating in Ukraine
Who Are The Neo-Nazis Fighting For Russia In Ukraine?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-warlord-who-led-neo-26402909
How Putin cultivated homegrown neo-Nazis for his own ends
Russia’s Wagner Group opens defence tech centre in St Petersburg
Russia’s Wagner Group ‘have as much power in Kremlin as ministers’
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-neo-nazi-mercenaries-who-26667959

For a guy who hates Nazis (or just people enjoying a good schnitzel), Putin sure has plenty working for him, even signing executive orders awarding them "title of hero of the Russian federation"

Russia Says Israeli Mercenaries Have Teamed Up with Nazis in Ukraine - gee, you can't make this stuff up. Are there any Jews left that aren't Nazis now???
Wasn't Trump a Nazi?

 

[tvolsfan]

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, who spent months on the ground in Bakhmut, said the Kremlin's claims about inflicting heavy losses on Ukraine are 'wild and absurd science fiction'

Lol

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Both sides are blaming each other for blowing the dam. I ask why would Ukraine blow it? That would impede their troop movement taking back land.

Why would the Ukrainians or their puppetmasters blow up a bridge or gas pipelines?

 

[tvolsfan]

Why would the Ukrainians or their puppetmasters blow up a bridge or gas pipelines?

Ukraine blowing up pipelines/bridges used to fuel Russia’s war makes perfect sense. It’s why Russia wants to blame the US instead.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Nordstream cut off energy flows to Europe - that put citizens at risk and was motivation for NATO countries to step up more against a country (Russia) that was intentionally starving Europe of needed energy. Meanwhile, Russia could replace the revenue stream easier than Europe could replace the energy.

They intentionally starved Europe of energy? Russia is still selling oil and gas right now to them. The only thing limiting European energy supplies are the Europeans themselves.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They’ll share only what makes the administration look good.

Don’t disagree

 

[hog88]

Don’t disagree

We're all being taken for a ride on this one.

 

[MontyPython]

In defense of Russian geniuses everywhere, a farming combine *really does* look just like a Leopard 2 tank.

Also: Potential pilot revenge for gluten allergy.

 

[MontyPython]

We're all being taken for a ride on this one.

No. Just you, grandpa.

 

[NCFisher]

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, who spent months on the ground in Bakhmut, said the Kremlin's claims about inflicting heavy losses on Ukraine are 'wild and absurd science fiction'

Lol

Boy oh, boy...just goes to show you can never trust a Nazi, even when a fellow fascist is paying him to do Nazi stuff.
What's it take to get good Nazi help these days?

 

[NCFisher]

In defense of Russian geniuses everywhere, a farming combine *really does* look just like a Leopard 2 tank.

Also: Potential pilot revenge for gluten allergy.

In case someone hasn't speculated yet, are we seeing the war enter a Holodomor phase with baby Stalin attacking agriculture?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Destruction of Ukraine Dam Floods Front Line, Scrambling Battle Plans

sorry for a paywall article but of interest there are arguments to be made why this hurts Ukraine and helps Russia and vice versa.

on the hurts Russia side: it greatly reduces the water supply to Crimea the longest held Russian area in the Ukraine and clears minefields and fortifications in the land bridge between Crimea and Ukraine.
on the helps Russia side: it gives them time to send reinforcements to the area and delays a possible counter offensive by Ukraine in the area.

of note:

Jens Stoltenberg, the secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, said the dam’s destruction was “an outrageous act, which demonstrates once again the brutality of Russia’s war in Ukraine.”
A senior NATO official said it was too early to say who was responsible.
“Russian actors most likely have a motive,” said the official. “It’s the Russians that stand to benefit from the dam not being there.”

The purpose of them capturing Zapharozhzhia early on was precisely because of the Crimean water source. And Russia is ready and doesn't need anymore time. It's to the Ukrainians' benefit to stall and postponed because they don't have enough equipment/weapons.

 

[LouderVol]

For a disclosure of CIA involvement with WWII-era Ukraine nationalists, you could've referenced their release detailing how CIA sought - AFTER the war - to establish intel channels into the Soviet communists: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/STUDIES IN INTELLIGENCE NAZI - RELATED ARTICLES_0015.pdf
"The sometimes brutal war record of many emigre groups became blurred as they became more critical to the CIA. DCI Hillenkoetter, for example, gave the chairman of the Displaced Persons Commission an ambiguous answer when the latter asked for a status report on some of the ethnic groups CIA used. Hillenkoetter did not deny that many emigres had sided-with the Nazis, but did so, he said, less out of "a pro-German or pro-Fascist orientation, but from a strong anti-Soviet bias. In many cases their motivation was primarily nationalistic and patriotic with their espousal of the German cause determined by the national interests."

Instead, you chose a Marxist publication for your daily nutritional-bias requirements. No wonder your arguments sound like the leftists who still lament the USSR demise.

Why would WWII-era Ukrainians living under Soviet rule, 'cite Germans then occupying Ukraine' when your own Marxist article provides that answer:
The OUN-German alliance in 1941 was backed by the leaders of the Ukrainian Orthodox and the Ukrainian Greek Catholic churches. The latter’s archbishop, Andrey Sheptytsky, penned a pastoral letter that declared:
We greet the victorious German Army as deliverer from the enemy. We render our obedient homage to the government which has been erected. We recognize Mr. Yaroslav Stetsko as Head of State… of the Ukraine. That is, the communist Soviet enemy ruling Ukraine.

Further, the 'posters' in Lviv were actually a four-page placard against Russian rule; it mentions Jews once. Why mention them at all?

The Pale of Settlement region where borders of Poland, Lithuania, and W. Ukraine abutted, transformed Russia from having a neglible population of Jews to holding the largest grouping of them (40%) globally when Russia conquered the area. in addition to the antisemitism long prevalent in Europe. including Russia from Cossack, Tsar to Stalin, many Jews became Soviet communists. These Jews (Yevsektsiya)- Jewish by lineage but communist by ideology - had fully on-boarded & even assumed lead in Soviet suppression of Hebrew language and Zionists, and Muscovite pogroms. The Pale is the region where Stalin 'liquidated' inmates, primarily W. Ukraine, upon Hitler's invasion: The 1941 NKVD Prison Massacres in Western Ukraine | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

Thus, Ukraine Jews came to be associated with the communist Soviets ruling Ukraine. For a concise history of Soviet commie Jewry: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/american-jews-idealize-soviet-communism To paraphrase, 'Why Do American Apologists for Putin Mimic Disenfranchised Western Communist Jews?'

Azov is 1000 guys in Ukrainian armed forces of 250,000. Jews serve in it (Azov) as soldiers and officers, in addition to it being financed by wealthy Jews. It is preposterous, then or now, to assert Ukraine nationalists were loyalists of German Nazism rather than Ukraine nationalism.

I have never gotten Ras or any of the others to tell us what the chief Nazi sympathizer Bandera was doing from 1941 to 1944.

 

[Velo Vol]

I don't think the possibility that the dam simply failed has been ruled out.

 

[NCFisher]

I have never gotten Ras or any of the others to tell us what the chief Nazi sympathizer Bandera was doing from 1941 to 1944.

The Goal: CIA wanted a parallel Ukrainian master race.
But not until after the war.

The Plan:
CIA - "Stepan, get yourself arrested and imprisoned. Isolated from distractions of freedom, you can perfect the scheme."
Banderas - "Yes, yes, Sen. McCain; it's perfect. Who'd ever suspect?"

 

[MontyPython]

 

[tvolsfan]

The Goal: CIA wanted a parallel Ukrainian master race.
But not until after the war.

The Plan:
CIA - "Stepan, get yourself arrested and imprisoned. Isolated from distractions of freedom, you can perfect the scheme."
Banderas - "Yes, yes, Sen. McCain; it's perfect. Who'd ever suspect?"

“This will go great with the coup we’re planning 70 years from now.”

 

[WBO]

Keeping waiting to hear that Prigozhin has checked into a hospital for some treatment.

You know what happens then (actually I hear they put Raz in the room with the offending party and after 15 minutes of his babble, death begins looking pretty good)?

 

[vols40]

Both sides are blaming each other for blowing the dam. I ask why would Ukraine blow it? That would impede their troop movement taking back land.

Because whether you want to admit it or not Russia=corrupt vs Ukraine=corrupt

This is like a fight between a skunk and kimchi no matter who wins it's not going to be pleasant

 

[vols40]

Why would Ukraine do it? What is a single valid reason.

They are losing. And the media is running cover for them

 

[NorthDallas40]

They are losing. And the media is running cover for them

LMAO!

 

[vols40]

LMAO!

Keep eating what the msm is feeding you.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Keep eating what the msm is feeding you.

Sure just like you drooling on whatever Tucker is telling you? Have you looked at his private texts this time to make sure he’s not lying to you again?