War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Explain how Ukraine's border with Russia is a bigger national security concern than our own border with Mexico. You all on the left stomped your feet like school kids over Trump building a $5-10 billion wall yet are more than willing to give Ukraine 10X that amount.
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There was no foreign military invasion into the US. Quit with the idiotic comparisons.

You do realize the need for a large influx of population don't you? I personally believe they are managing it horribly but we will need headcount, labor and a larger standing army in the not so distant future. This isn't being done for no reason.
 
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LouderVol said:
except they didn't figure anything out. we still owe the same amount of money. there is no plan to pay it off. and the only adjustment was to reduce the projected GROWTH of the debt by 1%......considering its a projection, the actuality will be much different. kicking the can down the road doesn't fix the inherent problem.

I don't think the meme mentioned giving the homeless anything, but was saying the person couldn't AFFORD groceries. and again yes that money and value of weapons does impact American's ability to afford food. the inflation is a kick in the nuts to people buying groceries, and that inflation doesn't come from cow farts, it comes from the government overspending on things like foreign aid; and even the welfare that does actually feed the homeless. the pending uncertainty brought about by the unresolved debt/default issue definitely puts a damper on people's spending and the economy in general. And whenever it comes time to face that music that depression will absolutely devastate people's ability to pay for food.

if you can't admit the clear link in the two you are being incredibly intellectually dishonest.
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I guess I'm being intellectually dishonest then. I don't see even a remote link between the value of the arms we're sending to Ukraine and affordable groceries.

Nor do I accept that not sending arms to Ukraine would directly or indirectly reduce the high cost of groceries. The meme was dumb in that assumes that the value of the arms would have gone into alleviating hunger and we both know it wouldn't because of the vastly different political divides that would have to be bridged to make that happen. Military budgets wouldn't suddenly become food subsidies for the poor. It's a false dichotomy, and a bad one to boot.

If you want to try and connect the dots between military spending and inflation, then that's a different discussion but you've got a lot of twists, turns and hurdles to get over and around to make the case that milk costs what it costs because we sent a patriot battery to Ukraine.
 
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LouderVol said:
The people of Ukraine don't want Russia, even the ethnic Russians. Even Ras and somewhat Putin have admitted that the Russians vastly overestimated how much local support they would get when they invaded. There wasn't any fighting until the Russians started sending in their operators and mercenaries. The only reason the fight didn't end back in 2014/2015 was because Russia got directly involved even back then. There is a reason the only places you are seeing "support for Russia" are the places that Russia directly controls and has military assets in to control the population. Just look at them "annexing" parts of Ukraine. They held votes to claim the whole area, even though they didn't control the whole area, and couldn't even actually hold a vote in the whole area. At the very least any one with critical thinking would admit that the Russian "annex" only applies to the land they held at the time. But they don't, they used that clearly sham vote, to claim ownership over the whole area, even the parts that didn't vote and were held by Ukraine. Neighbor didn't turn on neighbor in Ukraine, the armed man walking down the street was a Russian soldier who crossed the border, not some local with an old Ak47 they dug out from their floorboards.

Russia has purely been after a land grab. Hard to argue Crimea was any part of a civil war when Russia "annexed" them immediately.
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As I said and that was a very coherent argument you put out. I just happened to disagree with.
 
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Septic said:
I guess I'm being intellectually dishonest then. I don't see even a remote link between the value of the arms we're sending to Ukraine and affordable groceries.

Nor do I accept that not sending arms to Ukraine would directly or indirectly reduce the high cost of groceries. The meme was dumb in that assumes that the value of the arms would have gone into alleviating hunger and we both know it wouldn't because of the vastly different political divides that would have to be bridged to make that happen. Military budgets wouldn't suddenly become food subsidies for the poor. It's a false dichotomy, and a bad one to boot.

If you want to try and connect the dots between military spending and inflation, then that's a different discussion but you've got a lot of twists, turns and hurdles to get over and around to make the case that milk costs what it costs because we sent a patriot battery to Ukraine.
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Then you believe that an influx of money we don't have that is just dumped into the economy not derived from wages for doing something or building something that can be purchased results in inflation and we can't have a intellectually honest conversation
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A very good neutral break down of the counteroffensive thus far…

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Another Ukrainian clusterfck. Western Death Cult, Inc. have to be taking an extra spoonful of blood during their recent spirit cooking ceremony, seeing the absolute slaughter of Ukrainians they have encouraged.

Of course most in this thread will focus on my spirit cooking comment and ignore our leaders encouraging tens of thousands of Ukrainians to be needlessly slaughtered.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What? So now we are resorting to trying to read body language to determine the success or failure of the counteroffensive?

Wow... the coping mechanisms you guys employ are getting more desperate by the day.
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I'm not reading body language. I'm just wondering if a reporter asked him if the Russian forces have achieved his goals, what he would say?
 
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So beautiful day on the beach here in the Outer Banks. Some random touron walks by, sees the American and Ukraine flags flying. Pauses. Apparently says WTF is some ahole doing flying that Nazi flag.

Thankfully I didn't hear him. But... welcome to the ****ing ******** dumbass world we live in.

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