War in Ukraine

[LittleVol]

Lol, you seem upset.

Feel free to provide evidence of how sending military aid to Ukraine has diminished, or outright prohibited the federal response in the areas damaged by Helene.

More money and more people to directly help Americans.

Ukraine is worse than Afghanistan in comparison to how they began. And look how that ended 22 years later when the pullout.

Nobody wins in war. And Our government isn’t helping out of the goodness of their heart.

We really do need to dial it back and strenghthen our country.

 

[BeardedVol]

More money and more people to directly help Americans.

Ukraine is worse than Afghanistan in comparison to how they began. And look how that ended 22 years later when the pullout.

Nobody wins in war. And Our government isn’t helping out of the goodness of their heart.

We really do need to dial it back and strenghthen our country.

So show me how aid to Ukraine has impacted the federal response to Helene.

Should be easy for you.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[BeardedVol]

Vatniks: "Russian economy is stronk! Sanctions do nothing!"

Cash-strapped Pakistan to give tangerines, rice to Russia amid payment struggles

A barter agreement between Pakistan and Russia will see the exchange of chickpeas and lentils for tangerines and rice. This move, reported by Tass news, comes amid payment difficulties due to Western sanctions. The trade deal was finalized at the Pakistan-Russia Trade and Investment Forum...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Lol, you seem upset.

Feel free to provide evidence of how sending military aid to Ukraine has diminished, or outright prohibited the federal response in the areas damaged by Helene.

I am talking about monetary aid Mrs Zelensky. Oh I know you don’t want to believe we are sending actual money. I get it. I mean you ate still a staunch supporter of this proxy war.

 

[BeardedVol]

I am talking about monetary aid Mrs Zelensky. Oh I know you don’t want to believe we are sending actual money. I get it. I mean you ate still a staunch supporter of this proxy war.

Please educate yourself; your ignorance is palpable.

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.

www.ifw-kiel.de

 

[MontyPython]

lol. You wouldn’t know what a logical fallacy was if Aristotle himself taught it to you. Please explain why ANY aid in ANY form, should go to Ukraine right now. We are sending billions of taxpayer money to them. I know you don’t want to believe that but it’s fact. Hundreds of millions of dollars would definitely help.

But I guess that’s too much to ask right? Maybe we need some American citizens to beg and plead to Congress on worldwide TV for help? Maybe then something would get done. Probably not though. The traitors you helped get elected care more about the welfare of the Ukrainian people than Americans.

You might wanna brush up on a little European history. An ounce of prevention beats a pound of pain - and that's where we're heading should we just let Putin take Ukraine.

 

[FLVOL_79]

More money and more people to directly help Americans.

Ukraine is worse than Afghanistan in comparison to how they began. And look how that ended 22 years later when the pullout.

Nobody wins in war. And Our government isn’t helping out of the goodness of their heart.

We really do need to dial it back and strenghthen our country.

I don't like giving money to other countries when all of that could be used to fix so many problems here.

The assumption is if we kept that money our government would use it wisely, and that's not true. The government agency I work for (FAA) can't even get money to buy parts for equipment used for air traffic control. Every year we have to take massive budget cuts, and no one has ever been able to tell me where it goes. As I climb the "corporate ladder" the redirection of money gets murkier and murkier.

 

[Velo Vol]

Good shot.

 

[BeardedVol]

I don't like giving money to other countries when all of that could be used to fix so many problems here.

The assumption is if we kept that money our government would use it wisely, and that's not true. The government agency I work for (FAA) can't even get money to buy parts for equipment used for air traffic control. Every year we have to take massive budget cuts, and no one has ever been able to tell me where it goes. As I climb the "corporate ladder" the redirection of money gets murkier and murkier.

It's the same false dilemma fallacy trotted out over and over again...

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, we wouldn't have any homeless veterans.

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, there would be no hungry children in America.

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, everyone in <insert disaster area> would have been made 100% whole.

It's just partisan nonsense.

 

[MontyPython]

It's the same false dilemma fallacy trotted out over and over again...

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, we wouldn't have any homeless veterans.

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, there would be no hungry children in America.

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, everyone in <insert disaster area> would have been made 100% whole.

It's just partisan nonsense.

Exactly. And oh BTW a couple little teensy-weensy facts that @BigOrangeTrain neglects:

Congress controls the purse strings here, NOT the President. This applies to both Ukraine and any domestic natural disaster requiring additional funding.

Half of Congress (Read: The House) is controlled by Republicans.

So, it would seem that you're really just pissed off at your own party for funding Ukraine.

Be sure to write them a nastygram... that'll fix 'em!

 

[BeardedVol]

Something something escalation something something.

Six North Korean soldiers killed on Russian frontline: Reports

North Korea has been a major ally of Russia in its war with Ukraine, which began in February 2022.

www.newsweek.com

 

[FLVOL_79]

It's the same false dilemma fallacy trotted out over and over again...

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, we wouldn't have any homeless veterans.

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, there would be no hungry children in America.

If we didn't send aid to Ukraine, everyone in <insert disaster area> would have been made 100% whole.

It's just partisan nonsense.

All of those problems didnt exist before Ukraine.

 

[LouderVol]

You might wanna brush up on a little European history. An ounce of prevention beats a pound of pain - and that's where we're heading should we just let Putin take Ukraine.

what about that "ounce" of the Versailles Treaty at the end of WW1? how did that work for everyone?

the more recent European history shows the danger of entangling alliances.

Putin isn't going to be able to do anything to any NATO nation, the only ones we should care about. at least nothing that our intervention now would stop/disallow.

 

[MontyPython]

what about that "ounce" of the Versailles Treaty at the end of WW1? how did that work for everyone?

the more recent European history shows the danger of entangling alliances.

Putin isn't going to be able to do anything to any NATO nation, the only ones we should care about. at least nothing that our intervention now would stop/disallow.

Your view isn't wrong. It's just debatable. Much like this whole conflict and our support of Ukraine. I support Ukraine from a moral and ethical standpoint as well as the obvious domino theory.

So as a follow up question: Should we support Ukraine as its on an "irreversible path" to joining NATO?

• NATO nation leaders, in a Washington summit declaration released Wednesday, said Ukraine is on an "irreversible path" to NATO membership. The summit declaration, signed by all 32 NATO nations, offers some of the strongest language yet about the organization's intent to eventually include Ukraine in its membership.

 

[volfanhill]

Your view isn't wrong. It's just debatable. Much like this whole conflict and our support of Ukraine. I support Ukraine from a moral and ethical standpoint as well as the obvious domino theory.

So as a follow up question: Should we support Ukraine as its on an "irreversible path" to joining NATO?

• NATO nation leaders, in a Washington summit declaration released Wednesday, said Ukraine is on an "irreversible path" to NATO membership. The summit declaration, signed by all 32 NATO nations, offers some of the strongest language yet about the organization's intent to eventually include Ukraine in its membership.

All lip and no hole. Much like prom

You ain't in until you in

 

[hog88]

All lip and no hole. Much like prom

You ain't in until you in

As long as there are Russian troops within their borders (including Crimea) Ukraine will always be on the outside looking in.

 

[LouderVol]

Your view isn't wrong. It's just debatable. Much like this whole conflict and our support of Ukraine. I support Ukraine from a moral and ethical standpoint as well as the obvious domino theory.

So as a follow up question: Should we support Ukraine as its on an "irreversible path" to joining NATO?

• NATO nation leaders, in a Washington summit declaration released Wednesday, said Ukraine is on an "irreversible path" to NATO membership. The summit declaration, signed by all 32 NATO nations, offers some of the strongest language yet about the organization's intent to eventually include Ukraine in its membership.

nope. why give out member benefits to non-members? what's even the point of finishing the path if you get all the benefits before hand? I think they also still have a long way to go on the corruption side of things before we should accept them into NATO.

to me them joining NATO, or their path to it, shouldn't even be discussed until after hostilities are cleaned up.

I cheered for Vandy over Bama this weekend. doesn't mean I gave them money, put them ahead of UT, or did something that took away from UT or my UT fandom. same thing with Ukraine.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Biden admits Obama 'f***ed up' with Putin and 'didn't take him 'seriously'​

Just ahead of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, President Joe Biden made clear where the blame lay for Moscow's aggression: His predecessor Barack Obama.

A new book by Bob Woodward describes Biden's frustration that his then boss did not take tougher action when Russian forces invaded Crimea almost a decade earlier.

'They f***ed up in 2014,' Biden said to a friend, according to Woodward. 'That’s why we are here.

Biden says Obama 'f***ed up' with Putin over Ukraine in 2014

Just ahead of Vladimir Putin 's invasion of Ukraine, President Joe Biden made clear where the blame lay for Moscow 's aggression: His predecessor Barack Obama .

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MontyPython]

nope. why give out member benefits to non-members? what's even the point of finishing the path if you get all the benefits before hand? I think they also still have a long way to go on the corruption side of things before we should accept them into NATO.

to me them joining NATO, or their path to it, shouldn't even be discussed until after hostilities are cleaned up.

I cheered for Vandy over Bama this weekend. doesn't mean I gave them money, put them ahead of UT, or did something that took away from UT or my UT fandom. same thing with Ukraine.

Ever engaged to a woman? Then marry her?

Did you treat her differently before and after marriage?

That's what I thought.

 

[KB5252]

Ever engaged to a woman? Then marry her?

Did you treat her differently before and after marriage?

That's what I thought.

Well yeah, I don't make her the beneficiary of my will and insurance policies. There are absolutely some things you don't do before marriage...... If you're smart.

It's a bad comparison.

 

[LouderVol]

Ever engaged to a woman? Then marry her?

Did you treat her differently before and after marriage?

That's what I thought.

not yet.

NATO doesn't have an "engaged" part of the relationship. This isn't an intrapersonal relationship between two people who at least care for each other. we should absolutely be treating them differently before they sign all the paperwork.

this is like you proposing to the stripper while she gives you a longer than usual lap dance to keep her abusive BF away from you.

 

[MontyPython]

not yet.

NATO doesn't have an "engaged" part of the relationship. This isn't an intrapersonal relationship between two people who at least care for each other. we should absolutely be treating them differently before they sign all the paperwork.

this is like you proposing to the stripper while she gives you a longer than usual lap dance to keep her abusive BF away from you.

I chuckled.

 

[volfanhill]

Ever engaged to a woman? Then marry her?

Did you treat her differently before and after marriage?

That's what I thought.

I think that's a great analogy that doesn't work at all the way you think it does. In fact it argues the opposite of the point you were making.