War in Ukraine

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Video full conference 45:00 mark. Sad representation of all participates. Trump lays hand on Z, 4 or 5 times. A No-No. Trump not getting what he wanted so he escalates the conversation. Hey they both will end up getting what they wanted. Trump alignment with Russia and Z support of Europe.
If true, The US pausing offensive cyber activity operations against Russia is a telling sign.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Video full conference 45:00 mark. Sad representation of all participates. Trump lays hand on Z, 4 or 5 times. A No-No. Trump not getting what he wanted so he escalates the conversation. Hey they both will end up getting what they wanted. Trump alignment with Russia and Z support of Europe.
If true, The US pausing offensive cyber activity operations against Russia is a telling sign.
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A sign of what?
 
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Majors said:
More than burning it. But that’s just me, you may encourage flag burning of your country. You seem to have problems with those who don’t mind the American flag and take pride in displaying it in fashion and possibly their home. If we are discussing insight.
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Why are you trying to interject flag burning into the discussion?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Why are you trying to interject flag burning into the discussion?
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You side barred into patriotism and I stated those wearing the flag are more patriotic then burning it. Your discussion, I’m just going with what you’re giving. If you can’t keep up slow it down. Remember you’re not talking trash playing Fortnite to a 10 year old an headset.
 
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hog88 said:
A sign of what?
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That there is another deal in place that we don't know about and not privy to as well. Russia has been our sworn enemy since the 1950's. What's changed? Russia is not to be trusted and it seems like we are giving them a lot of leadway and support.
Sure, everybody wants this over and we may benefit from the enriched resources of Ukraine. We may not. It appears we are gambling and dealing with Russia is very risky.
Land is the commodity now, not oil. Tough to know what is going on behind the scenes, but the common denominators are Russia and Putin which is not good for the US.
Turning Ukraine into a war zone with Nato is not an option either.
I just don't see this ending well for us as China sits and watches.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
That there is another deal in place that we don't know about and not privy to as well. Russia has been our sworn enemy since the 1950's. What's changed? Russia is not to be trusted and it seems like we are giving them a lot of leadway and support.
Sure, everybody wants this over and we may benefit from the enriched resources of Ukraine. We may not. It appears we are gambling and dealing with Russia is very risky.
Land is the commodity now, not oil. Tough to know what is going on behind the scenes, but the common denominators are Russia and Putin which is not good for the US.
Turning Ukraine into a war zone with Nato is not an option either.
I just don't see this ending well for us as China sits and watches.
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Not 100% accurate. We got along with Russia pretty well from 1991-2006. In fact, Bush and Putin were big pals in Putin's first term and they were considered an ally in the War on Terror. They even shared intel and allowed us to use their bases for a short spell. It all changed when Russia started bullying Georgia.

People must have forgotten this quote from W Bush:

“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy,” Bush said. “I was able to get a sense of his soul.”

Putin also made comments indicating that his views on the United States have changed over time and he originally wanted to work with the USA.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Not 100% accurate. We got along with Russia pretty well from 1991-2006. In fact, Bush and Putin were big pals in Putin's first term and they were considered an ally in the War on Terror. They even shared intel and allowed us to use their bases for a short spell. It all changed when Russia started bullying Georgia.
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Actually, Russia started communicating with the U.S. as to the problems of NATO and Ukraine by 1995. You can see in the Congressional Record in 1998, which you can see online that the military briefed Congress on the issues. The U.S. military informed what the results of continue to expand, and what the outcome would kind of look like. That is kind of what we have today.

Da Pootin was moonlighting as taxi-cab driver.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Actually, Russia started communicating with the U.S. as to the problems of NATO and Ukraine by 1995. You can see in the Congressional Record in 1998, which you can see online that the military briefed Congress on the issues. The U.S. military informed what the results of continue to expand, and what the outcome would kind of look like. That is kind of what we have today.

Da Pootin was moonlighting as taxi-cab driver.
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They still worked with us fairly well until the mid 2000s.

Russia doesn't hate the USA, they just hate us being in the way of recovering their Empire. Putin clearly wants to make Russia into a World Power again. That is his motivation. Frankly, most of us would be doing the same in his shoes. Issue with Russia is their internal corruption more than owning Ukraine. Owning Ukraine would help though as Ukraine is, by far, the most valuable region that Russia lost in 1991.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
That there is another deal in place that we don't know about and not privy to as well. Russia has been our sworn enemy since the 1950's. What's changed? Russia is not to be trusted and it seems like we are giving them a lot of leadway and support.
Sure, everybody wants this over and we may benefit from the enriched resources of Ukraine. We may not. It appears we are gambling and dealing with Russia is very risky.
Land is the commodity now, not oil. Tough to know what is going on behind the scenes, but the common denominators are Russia and Putin which is not good for the US.
Turning Ukraine into a war zone with Nato is not an option either.
I just don't see this ending well for us as China sits and watches.
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I think it's a bit of an overreaction to say the DOD ending offensive cyber activities against Russia is a sign of what's to come. It could be nothing more than a gesture of good will to get Putin to the negotiating table, it could mean nothing since we don't know what offensive cyber activities the DOD was conducting but I don't read anything negative into it. Remember, we still have the CIA, NSA and goodness knows what other agencies that don't fall under the DOD to conduct offensive cyber activities.
 
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volbound1700 said:
They still worked with us fairly well until the mid 2000s.

Russia doesn't hate the USA, they just hate us being in the way of recovering their Empire. Putin clearly wants to make Russia into a World Power again. That is his motivation. Frankly, most of us would be doing the same in his shoes. Issue with Russia is their internal corruption more than owning Ukraine. Owning Ukraine would help though as Ukraine is, by far, the most valuable region that Russia lost in 1991.
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The long term solution to all of this is for the Russian people to realize the enormous economic success they could have if they ousted Putin and his ilk and had a truly free press and free elections.
 
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volbound1700 said:
They still worked with us fairly well until the mid 2000s.

Russia doesn't hate the USA, they just hate us being in the way of recovering their Empire. Putin clearly wants to make Russia into a World Power again. That is his motivation. Frankly, most of us would be doing the same in his shoes. Issue with Russia is their internal corruption more than owning Ukraine. Owning Ukraine would help though as Ukraine is, by far, the most valuable region that Russia lost in 1991.
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My opinion just off of videos is they don't hate American per se, what your government and neocons have been doing... that is a different story. I posted a video of a guy the other day that was Russian but has family in the Ukraine talk about it. He's like we root out all the chaos being inflicted from underneath there will be problems.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Actually, Russia started communicating with the U.S. as to the problems of NATO and Ukraine by 1995. You can see in the Congressional Record in 1998, which you can see online that the military briefed Congress on the issues. The U.S. military informed what the results of continue to expand, and what the outcome would kind of look like. That is kind of what we have today.

Da Pootin was moonlighting as taxi-cab driver.
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Russia has never been more secure than since the establishment of NATO.
 
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volbound1700 said:
They still worked with us fairly well until the mid 2000s.

Russia doesn't hate the USA, they just hate us being in the way of recovering their Empire. Putin clearly wants to make Russia into a World Power again. That is his motivation. Frankly, most of us would be doing the same in his shoes. Issue with Russia is their internal corruption more than owning Ukraine. Owning Ukraine would help though as Ukraine is, by far, the most valuable region that Russia lost in 1991.
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Ukraine is a status symbol for Russia/Putin now. They aren't gaining anything they didn't already have with this war. Except to say we took it in combat look at how strong we are.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The long term solution to all of this is for the Russian people to realize the enormous economic success they could have if they ousted Putin and his ilk and had a truly free press and free elections.
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This is true but the Russians have never been an overly bright people with a yearning for liberty.
 
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hog88 said:
Russia has never been more secure than since the establishment of NATO.
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Militarily NATO isn't a threat, not really as tactical nuclear weapons, see Congressional Record. I would say they are more concern with mission creep i.e. Ukraine, Romania, and you're seeing it other Balitic nations i.e. Hungry.
 
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