War in Ukraine

[KB5252]

That is the key. At best, it is a sensationalized claim. At worst, it is a fabrication.

Why would he be holding the staff at that plant at gun point?

You sound like the family members of the kid that got in with the wrong crowd and ended up shooting someone in a robbery..... "But he was such a good boy, he would never hurt no one"

 

[KB5252]

We were the ones that orchestrated a coup in 2013. THAT is the reason behind NATO expansion.

Correct, a coup to replace a Russian puppet that better represented the will of the people.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You are going to hell in a fiery ball of flames. Chaos, Disorder. Learn to recognize it. Russia has infested volnation.

Jesus Christ we need to enact TCA Title 33 and send someone to this idiot’s house for a welfare check

 

[Rickyvol77]

Why would he be holding the staff at that plant at gun point?

You sound like the family members of the kid that got in with the wrong crowd and ended up shooting someone in a robbery..... "But he was such a good boy, he would never hurt no one"

He’s the king of defending criminals

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Polina's Little Brother Loses Fight For Life: Five-year-old Seymon Dies two days after parents and sibling were killed in hail of Russian Bullets while they fled Kyiv... as critically-ill sister Sofia, 13, has no idea Entire Family Are Now Dead

The five-year-old brother of Polina, the Harry Potter mad 10-year-old girl shot dead by the Russians with their parents has also died, it emerged today, in a family tragedy symbolising Putin's horrific war on the people of Ukraine.

Semyon was in a critical condition in hospital for 72 hours after the family's car was riddled with bullets as they tried to flee Kyiv as the Russians tried to encircle the capital.

Polina and Semyon were among three members of the same family murdered in their car by one of Putin's sabotage and reconnaissance units operating in the capital on Saturday.

Vets Anton Kudrin, and wife Svetlana Zapadynskaya, were killed in the car with their middle daughter Polina in a hail of bullets.

Their eldest daughter Sofia and youngest son Semyon were wounded and left in a critical condition in hospital, unaware their family has been killed. The five-year-old boy perished in the Okhmatdyt Children's Hospital on Wednesday, a relative told the Telegraph.

Sofia, 13, is still in a critical condition in hospital, unconscious and unaware that her entire family has been killed.

A poignant picture of a relative, head bowed, while clutching Semyon's hand as he lay stricken on a ventilator became a symbol of how Putin's war is targeting civilians and continues to take a terrible toll on Ukraine's youngest and most vulnerable.

Five-year-old Semyon Kudrin has died a week after being shot in a car by the Russians with his family. His father Anton (pictured with him), mother Svetlana and sister Polina were also murdered. Eldest sister Sofia is on a ventilator in hospital

Polina's younger brother Semyon Kudrin is supported by a loved one as he lies on a ventilator after being wounded by the Russians in an attack that claimed the lives of his sister and parents. He died on Wednesday

Father Anton Kudrin, and wife Svetlana Zapadynskaya and their middle daughter Polina died, their eldest daughter Sofia (at the back) and youngest son Semyon (right). Victims of the war with Russia

Polina's little brother Semyon, five, loses fight for life | Daily Mail Online

 

[midnight orange]

Because we were not prepared to indiscriminately murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians and bomb entire cities into oblivion......as is Putin.

Non-sequitor. We don’t/ haven’t bombed civilian populations? No Iraqi, Afghani, Yemen, Somalian civilians being bombed?

 

[landscapingvol]

Vietnam vs. USA, Afghans vs USSR, Afghans vs USA

People often mistake Vietnam as a military defeat, it wasn't. The US simply wasn't willing, with good reason, to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of US soldiers for a heavily corrupt and ineffective South Vietnamese government. The NVA/Vietcong had very few real victories if any other than small skirmishes. The TET Offensive which really turned the tide of the war in terms of public opinion in the US was a strategic NVA/Vietcong "victory" but it was a military disaster for them and could have easily led to an annihilation of the NVA/Vietcong as a fighting force but the US did not take advantage of it and soon began the slow drawdown of combat.

 

[hog88]

@hog88 can handle it or @NorthDallas40 either one

I've captained an 80 footer a few times.

 

[hog88]

EU considers energy sanctions on Russia after nuclear power plant attack

• EU foreign affairs ministers are meeting Friday in Brussels to discuss next steps as Moscow continues to bombard Ukraine.
• Three European officials, who did not want to be named due to the sensitivity of the talks, told CNBC that ministers will be looking at imposing energy sanctions on Russia when they meet.
• Russia is a crucial source of energy for the EU.
• In 2021, the European Union imported around 45% of gas from the country, according to the International Energy Agency.

Bipartisan calls for Russian oil ban meet resistance from White House

Bipartisan calls are growing on Capitol Hill for the United States to ban imports of oil from Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, but the White House stopped short of an outright ban -- and experts said the impact would be limited.

The United States and other Western nations have imposed an unprecedented raft of sanctions on Russia, but they have created exceptions for the oil and gas sector -- from which the Russian government derives much of its income -- because of fears cutting off the supply would drive up energy prices around the world.

But Republican members of Congress have for weeks been calling for a ban on imports of Russian crude oil and petroleum products, saying it would kneecap Russian President Vladimir Putin more than the Biden administration's sanctions have so far.
"Putin's major source of revenue is selling oil and gas and Biden's given an exception," Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said Wednesday. "You can continue getting billions of dollars to fund the invasion of Ukraine."

# # #

Gotta say I agree with the GOP on this one. Oil will spike to $150+/barrel and it'll hurt at the pump in the short run ($5.00+ gas) but if it chokes Russia into complete economic ruin (READ: Putin gets booted), I'm OK with it for now. Of note, it appears alot of Democrats also favor this approach.

Bonus: US oil and gas industry fills in the global supply void.

Make it happen Joe.

Not going to happen for 2 reasons. #1 those that control Biden are in cahoots with Putin on this so they're not kneecapping Putin's income and #2 they know it would completely wipe out the dems in the midterms, maybe even provide the Rs with a veto proof majority.

 

[landscapingvol]

Non-sequitor. We don’t/ haven’t bombed civilian populations? No Iraqi, Afghani, Yemen, Somalian civilians being bombed?

We haven't indiscriminately bombed/shelled a civilian population since Vietnam. You simply do not know what you are talking about. The Somali militia trapped special forces in Mogadishu and forced them into a fight. The US didn't set out to bomb the city, again you simply don't know what you are talking about. Yemen is a ridiculous example and we haven't performed any real combat operations their on any large scale other than special forces. We never bombed any Iraqi cities other than target strikes on specific targets and yes they do miss occasionally. Heck, we sacrificed hundreds of US troops to avoid heavy civilian casualties including protecting the Haditha Dam. You should definitely sit this one out

 

[luthervol]

Non-sequitor. We don’t/ haven’t bombed civilian populations? No Iraqi, Afghani, Yemen, Somalian civilians being bombed?

Please. I never said that. I said we were not prepared to murder tens of thousands of innocent people and bomb entire cities into oblivion.

Everyone knows there will always be "collateral" damage....how much is acceptable and what steps are taken to minimize it are where the whole difference lies.

But you knew that, I think.......I hope.

Putin obviously doesn't give a rat's a$$ about innocent civilians being murdered or the complete destruction of entire cities.

 

[landscapingvol]

Not going to happen for 2 reasons. #1 those that control Biden are in cahoots with Putin on this so they're not kneecapping Putin's income and #2 they know it would completely wipe out the dems in the midterms, maybe even provide the Rs with a veto proof majority.

Absolutely correct and the stiffest sanctions won't be implemented for any real length of time because they can't afford to

 

[Franklin Pierce]

A woman picks her way through the rubble of a destroyed school in the city of Zhytomyr, 80 miles to the west of Kyiv, as Russia renews its assault on the country for a ninth day

Yevghen Zbormyrsky, 49, reacts in front of his burning house after being shelled in the city of Irpin, outside Kyiv

A woman weeps in the streets of Irpin, a satellite city of the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, after it was destroyed by a Russian shell

People remove personal belongings from a burning house after being shelled in the city of Irpin, outside Kyiv

How Much More Can They Take?

Ukraine war: Blinken vows NATO is 'ready for war' | Daily Mail Online

 

[0nelilreb]

And how effective are those guns going to ultimately be? I think what is being proven is that unless you are equally armed - planes, bombs, etc.....it doesn't really matter; especially when facing a foe who has no problem with the death of innocents and the complete destruction of entire cities.

We were not “ equally armed” against the English .

 

[luthervol]

We were not “ equally armed” against the English .

We had the same number of planes and long range missiles. Pretty much equal ability for indiscriminate long range murder and destruction.

 

[landscapingvol]

We were not “ equally armed” against the English .

Outgunned, outmanned, outsupplied, virtually overwhelmed in every category except motivation and geography

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

How did the Ukrainians become more American than Americans?

 

[0nelilreb]

We had the same number of planes and long range missiles. Pretty much equal ability for indiscriminate long range murder and destruction.

There you go tap dancing again … you said and I quote “ Equally armed “ . This one isn’t going to be so easily danced out of . Lol

 

[midnight orange]

Please. I never said that. I said we were not prepared to murder tens of thousands of innocent people and bomb entire cities into oblivion.

Everyone knows there will always be "collateral" damage....how much is acceptable and what steps are taken to minimize it are where the whole difference lies.

But you knew that, I think.......I hope.

Putin obviously doesn't give a rat's a$$ about innocent civilians being murdered or the complete destruction of entire cities.

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

**** you Putin. That’s all

 

[Gandalf]

So now that the Russians are inexorably moving forward (as even Ukrainian leadership and probably most real military guys knew they would) the propaganda phase of the Ukrainian Hero will take a back seat to Ukrainian Suffering.

Whereas in the early going all you saw were dead Russians that the heroic forces of Ukraine killed, while losses to Ukr forces were nowhere to be found - now expect to see much more of the blood bath to civilians, old and young, who were caught in the wrong time and place, casualties of war. Crying over dead children, blown apart, the haggard faces and hollow stares of shell shocked humanity staggering about. This is the next phase of information to be filmed and distributed.

Understand that it doesnt mean that isnt true, isnt horrific, though as we have seen already, there will be a number of sensational items that are staged or faked. But in the end, understand what the purpose is. Ukraine has few weapons to fight this war against a much more powerful foe. The main one they have is our humanity, which they will use to try to drag the west into the war to fight Russia for them. They will use their (very real) suffering to gain sympathy and such frustration with inaction that our weak and foolish leaders will enter the fight. It has worked before and Zelenskyy is doing his best to be a Ukrainian Churchill. Expect our own media (right and left) to breathlessly report and magnify each depredation.

You cannot blame them. War has no rules but survival and they are a country that will soon no longer have independent governance and whose leadership will surely be on trial in Moscow. But as every lifeguard knows, drowning people may kill you to save themselves.

I say this only in the hopes that the west is not so foolish. 377k people have died in Yemen and as many as 100k in Tigray in wars that are still ongoing as we speak and yet America will not be entering those fights. Indeed, I suspect 95% of the people who read my post will not have even known that those wars exist and are ongoing.

For the chicken hawks who shriek that he is headed for Poland or the Baltics next, your slip is showing. The Baltics would have been much easier for Putin to take in the first place but he understands that guarantees Nato's involvement. While he is no doubt willing to sacrifice even 10s of thousands of troops to take Ukraine, he has no illusions against openly attacking NATO in a conventional war, and knows that nuclear wars have no winner. Nukes give Russia itself a shield but not his armies. If he can successfully take Ukraine and hold it, whether directly or as a puppet state, he will have shown his military strength and that Russia is to be feared, without risking a multipower war which he is likely to lose. Meanwhile he has to suck up the sanctions, perhaps for years but probably figures in 5-10 years or so, it will have been well worth it.

I wish all this were not so but wishing does not make it change. As I said to someone else, long ago who wished war had not happened in their own time - "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

 

[volbound1700]

People often mistake Vietnam as a military defeat, it wasn't. The US simply wasn't willing, with good reason, to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of US soldiers for a heavily corrupt and ineffective South Vietnamese government. The NVA/Vietcong had very few real victories if any other than small skirmishes. The TET Offensive which really turned the tide of the war in terms of public opinion in the US was a strategic NVA/Vietcong "victory" but it was a military disaster for them and could have easily led to an annihilation of the NVA/Vietcong as a fighting force but the US did not take advantage of it and soon began the slow drawdown of combat.

This is 100% true. United States was NOT the War Leader, South Vietnam. The way to look at it was the United States (along with a lot of other nations in the region that helped including Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, the Philippines, and Australia) were co-belligerents in support of the South Vietnamese regime. USA end up becoming the main fighter keeping things alive and Americans did not want to be in that position. South Vietnam was a weak and corrupt regime that could not survive without USA backing.

 

[luthervol]

And how effective are those guns going to ultimately be? I think what is being proven is that unless you are equally armed - planes, bombs, etc.....it doesn't really matter; especially when facing a foe who has no problem with the death of innocents and the complete destruction of entire cities.

Seems absurd to use this as a way of supporting 2a.

There you go tap dancing again … you said and I quote “ Equally armed “ . This one isn’t going to be so easily danced out of . Lol

lol...
You may want to reference the bolded portion of my post.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Ukrainian Woman Claims Russian Troops Raping Women In Kherson

A Ukrainian resident of the Russian-controlled city of Kherson said the occupying troops have “already started to rape our women.”

Svetlana Zorina, 27, who lives with her grandmother in the Black Sea port city of about 290,000 people captured Wednesday, spoke with CNN about the dire situation and accused the invading forces of sexually attacking women.

“They already started to rape our women. There was information from people that I personally know that a 17-year-old girl — it happened to her and then they killed her,” she told host John Berman on Friday. These claims have not yet been independently verified.

Asked if city residents have mounted any resistance, she said that all people can do is “just to sit at home and take care of ourselves because we are scared.”

Zorina added: “We are terrified and scared but we are not going to give up.”

Ukrainian woman Svetlana Zorina claims Russian troops raping women in occupied city of Kherson

 

[landscapingvol]

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia

You do understand that a large portion of those casualties were a direct result of suicide bombings and attacks by other groups fighting in Iraq not just the US military?