What’s the likelihood that we see civil unrest soon?

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BisonVol said:
Here's a football illustration of how I see it. Player from team A shoves player from team B after the play. Flag thrown. Then guy from team B shoves him back. Another flag. Now the guy from team B (DeSantis) has gone from taking the high ground and letting team A player (Biden) own his BS and getting a free fifteen yards to becoming no different than the player from team A and the penalties offset. Not a perfect illustration but should should get the point across. You do you, but that's how I see it.
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Good analogy, it player A hurt teams B star player and cost them a playoffs spot, then player B has every right to protect his teammate regardless of offsetting penalties or a higher road....sometime when 1 side fights dirty you have to level the fields and fight back....GOP and conservatives have taken the high road for years...and here we are on the verge of losing freedoms, which happens slowly over time...1st masks now vac, now threatening jobs, then what.....
 
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1vol8 said:
But as for me personally, I haven’t worn a mask one. I haven’t had the shot and I haven’t gotten COVID (knock on wood). But when people that have had the shot are still getting it it tells me it’s not worth getting if your Immune system is up to par
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How many people do you know that have had breakthrough infections. Honestly?

Also, those people who've had breakthrough infections are still alive - so you know, they have that going for them. That's akin to people bemoaning having to get the flu shot every year because they never get the flu.

The truth is, one doesn't know they need it or if it's unnecessary until you have it. It's an unnecessary roll of the dice.
 
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Septic said:
Fair enough, that's shocking to me. Again, anecdotally - I have a bunch of conservative MD friends (ENT, OB/GYN, Anesthesia, GP and a Dermatologist) and to a man they are ALL preaching vaccination. My step father is the only MD I knew that refused vaccination (for political reasons) and it almost killed him. He may not admit it but I know he regrets it.
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Did he finally vax? Your stepfather?
 
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luthervol said:
On some deep level you have to know how nonsensical that is.

One guy's creator granted him the right to kill whomever he wished, steal what he wanted, and rape who he wanted.
SOCIETY stepped in and said - nope, doesn't work that way - your creator is nuts. We will only agree to support the rights granted by the creators with whom we agree.
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No you dolt. Nobody has ever had the right to harm another person outside of self defense.
 
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Septic said:
How many people do you know that have had breakthrough infections. Honestly?

Also, those people who've had breakthrough infections are still alive - so you know, they have that going for them. That's akin to people bemoaning having to get the flu shot every year because they never get the flu.

The truth is, one doesn't know they need it or if it's unnecessary until you have it. It's an unnecessary roll of the dice.
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Over 99% of people infected survived and are alive... correct?? So if survival is 99.5 unvaxed and 99.8 vax....negligible difference considering that 99.8 goes back down after so many months...
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Did he finally vax? Your stepfather?
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I don't know, I don't even want to broach the subject. He's a Gator and really hard headed so who knows - he's already proven himself to have suspect judgement. My guess is he'll get vaxxed and deny it.
 
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Septic said:
I don't know, I don't even want to broach the subject. He's a Gator and really hard headed so who knows - he's already proven himself to have suspect judgement. My guess is he'll get vaxxed and deny it.
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Lol...they get stubborn...my 74 year old man got covid..spent 7 days in hospital....came out fine...and he is the most unhealthy man i know....vax or unvax i think covid is gonna take whoever it wants eventually....but Im thinking choosing whats best for each individual is the right call...we don't have loke each others life choice but we should at least respects it..
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Over 99% of people infected survived and are alive... correct?? So if survival is 99.5 unvaxed and 99.8 vax....negligible difference considering that 99.8 goes back down after so many months...
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This is such a myopic argument. The mortality rate doesn't take into account SO MANY MORE variables that affect us, I'm not arguing this point any more. You guys really need to start thinking bigger than trying to boil covid down to the dead.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Lol...they get stubborn...my 74 year old man got covid..spent 7 days in hospital....came out fine...and he is the most unhealthy man i know....vax or unvax i think covid is gonna take whoever it wants eventually....but Im thinking choosing whats best for each individual is the right call...we don't have loke each others life choice but we should at least respects it..
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I don't disagree, it should be an individual choice and I'd stand up for your rights of medical choice right along side you. But I'd also be calling you an idiot and mocking such brain dead decision making.
 
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Septic said:
This is such a myopic argument. The mortality rate doesn't take into account SO MANY MORE variables that affect us, I'm not arguing this point any more. You guys really need to start thinking bigger than trying to boil covid down to the dead.
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There are others variables...co-morbidities and such...that why only 6% of death are purely from covid....which is a far cry the 600k thats be presented....but you brought up that breakthrough cases are surving.....
 
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whodeycin85 said:
There are others variables...co-morbidities and such...that why only 6% of death are purely from covid....which is a far cry the 600k thats be presented....but you brought up that breakthrough cases are surving.....
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Whatever you say, don't get vaccinated - no one is making you.
 
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Septic said:
How many people do you know that have had breakthrough infections. Honestly?

Also, those people who've had breakthrough infections are still alive - so you know, they have that going for them. That's akin to people bemoaning having to get the flu shot every year because they never get the flu.

The truth is, one doesn't know they need it or if it's unnecessary until you have it. It's an unnecessary roll of the dice.
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Now that I can agree with. You don’t know if you need it until you do. But we also don’t know the long term effects of those who did. Just remember that every commercial that starts with “you may be entitled to compensation” started with something approved by the FDA.
 
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Septic said:
I don't disagree, it should be an individual choice and I'd stand up for your rights of medical choice right along side you. But I'd also be calling you an idiot and mocking such brain dead decision making.
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Do you do that homosexuals who put thier live at risk getting aids??? It thier life not for you to judge and mock..what you feel is the right choice may not be for everyone so to judge and mock a person foe thier choice...just makes a person an a**hole
 
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1vol8 said:
But as for me personally, I haven’t worn a mask one. I haven’t had the shot and I haven’t gotten COVID (knock on wood). But when people that have had the shot are still getting it it tells me it’s not worth getting if your Immune system is up to par
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So you've never entered a business that required a mask? Or did you just ignore their wishes and go in anyways?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Do you do that homosexuals who put thier live at risk getting aids??? It thier life not for you to judge and mock..what you feel is the right choice may not be for everyone so to judge and mock a person foe thier choice...just makes a person an a**hole
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What? Edit: Never mind septic beat me to it.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Do you judge and mock a homosexuals lifestyle choice because they have a higher chance of getting aids????
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I would mock any individuals choice to not protect themselves adequality in the presence of easily obtained and readily available prophylaxis, especially if they are knowingly or willingly engaging in risky behavior.

This is a terrible strawman.
 
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