NashVol11
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The question isn't that ridiculous. If Dooley isn't a national championship-caliber coach, which he probably isn't, we should want one to get here as fast as possible...
How far away did Alabama look from a perfect regular season after the 2007 season? Good coaches can get it done, period.I'm well aware of that but it doesn't change the fact that there are many delusional fans who think that changing a coach will start delivering 10 win seasons every year. Football has been very cyclical over the decades and UT is in a low part of the cycle. Hiring Dooley or any other coach in America isn't going to change the fact UT is a long, long way away from a 10 win season.
Phil Fulmer and Les Miles aren't really "national championship-caliber coaches," and yet they each won one anyway. There aren't that many elite coaches in the country, and none of them would have left their current jobs to take over the Tennessee mess anyway. Rooting for Dooley to fail because he's not an elite coach is letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I'm well aware of that but it doesn't change the fact that there are many delusional fans who think that changing a coach will start delivering 10 win seasons every year. Football has been very cyclical over the decades and UT is in a low part of the cycle. Hiring Dooley or any other coach in America isn't going to change the fact UT is a long, long way away from a 10 win season.
To say that there is some doubt about whether CDD can ever win a championship at UT is a gross understatement.
There's also doubt that he can ever win the SEC East.
Instead, many here and in other UT circles, feel the best he can do is win may 10 games in his third year at UT, but never any more than that. In the meantime, many concede that he will help recruiting, but that he can not recruit as well as CLK and company. So, even his recruiting upside is limited versus the trajectory we were on.
Before anyone starts claiming that I don't want to Vols to win, let me clarify in saying that we all want the Vols to win.
Yet, is winning and restoring 'mediocrity' at UT over the next 6 or 7 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley repeat his LA Tech record at UT over the next two years get a proven coach on the Hill faster?
Trying real hard to refrain from name calling.
I'm giving Kiffin ( the whole X thing is retarded ) credit for the 8 EE's.
Other than that, the class belongs to Dooley and staff...I have no clue how many would have stayed if granted a release, nor do I care to ponder it.
Of the guys that signed after being committed to UT prior to Kiffin left are; Pair, Palardy, Dixon and Fulton
So give Kiffin credit if you want, for 12 out of the 25 we signed.
How far away did Alabama look from a perfect regular season after the 2007 season? Good coaches can get it done, period.
I hope you're right, but there is nothing to base that on.
The problem will come in if we're winning enough to just tag along with the real contenders and find it hard to make a move. That's 21st century Fulmer redux and I want no part of that.
What the hell do you think makes teams go through cycles other than coaches? It's not like God is picking favorites every five years...
I love how everyone is talking about UT like no coach could pull them out of mediocrity for 10 years. Dooley saved the recruiting class right? Kiffin pulled in a good class last year. We aren't dead in the water.Not as far as UT is currently. Shula had recruited well. He just couldn't coach a lick. Saban continued to recruit well and developed players and instilled his system of great discipline in that team.
I agree but a somewhat random coaching hire doesn't guarantee 10 win seasons. UT's talent level is at its lowest since the mid-80s. It is very different from the situation at Alabama that Saban took over. A 10 win season could be possible in 2012 if all the cards fall right. 3 years and alot of good luck is not a quick turnaround.
Not as far as UT is currently. Shula had recruited well. He just couldn't coach a lick. Saban continued to recruit well and developed players and instilled his system of great discipline in that team.
Not as far as UT is currently. Shula had recruited well. He just couldn't coach a lick. Saban continued to recruit well and developed players and instilled his system of great discipline in that team.
So, now you credit X with nearly half of the class that you only a few moments ago said was DD's doing?
Maybe you should revert to name-calling. Not only was it equally sensible to your current argument, but was at least somewhat entertaining (as any regression is).
Best for UT is success, even if the OP doesn't like the guy who brings it.