What's best for the future of UT football: Dooley teams win or... (merged)

[JohnnyBall]

fu

 

[GahLee]

Didn't we go over this yesterday?

 

[SportyLexy]

To say that there is some doubt about whether CDD can ever lose a championship at UT is a gross understatement.

There's also doubt that he will ever not win the SEC East.

Instead, many here and in other UT circles, feel the worst he can do is win 10 games in his first year at UT, but never any less than that. In the meantime, many coaches in the SEC concede that he will out recruit them, but that they will settle for competing for 2nd place.

Before anyone starts claiming that I don't want the Vols to lose a few, let me clarify in saying that you're right, I don't.

Yet, is winning and restoring 'Supremecy' at UT over the next 1 or 2 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley only win and not dominate, allowing his opponents a fair shot be good enough?

Thank you for this... to say that other thread p*ssed me completely off this morning is an understatement. How could a true Vol fan ever wish us to even lose 1 game yet let it known that they want a coach, who hasnt even had the chance to coach a single game here yet, to drastically lose. Sheesh!!! Needless to say, this was well put and put me in a better mood this morning.

 

[Neyland Law Vol]

I see what you are doing here. . . .

 

[utmba93]

Thank you for this... to say that other thread p*ssed me completely off this morning is an understatement. How could a true Vol fan ever wish us to even lose 1 game yet let it known that they want a coach, who hasnt even had the chance to coach a single game here yet, to drastically lose. Sheesh!!! Needless to say, this was well put and put me in a better mood this morning.

No one wished the Vols would lose. The question was about what's optimal for the program assuming losing is inevitable (and it is).

It was a question beyond your reasoning capacity. Don't let such complex issues frustrate you by trying to understand them. Like many others here, you could damage your mind.

That's why this thread (we'll win them all, forever, by golly) is good for the health of VN homers.

 

[Plano Vol]

Just for the record, I want immediate domination.....domination so complete and profound that thirty years from now you can't pull for a specific team in the Superbowl because both teams are completely saturated with Tennessee alumni.

 

[PennVol]

I thought this was funny and an appropriate mock of one of the worst threads in a long time.
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[UTVOL02]

Just for the record, I want immediate domination.....domination so complete and profound that thirty years from now you can't pull for a specific team in the Superbowl because both teams are completely saturated with Tennessee alumni.

That's the spirit! And it is inevitable, buckle up Plano...it's going to be a fast ride to the TOP! :rock::rock:

 

[SportyLexy]

No one wished the Vols would lose. The question was about what's optimal for the program assuming losing is inevitable (and it is).

It was a question beyond your reasoning capacity. Don't let such complex issues frustrate you by trying to understand them. Like many others here, you could damage your mind.

That's why this thread (we'll win them all, forever, by golly) is good for the health of VN homers.

Im pretty aware of what your thread was trying to say. By questioning what's better for our program, Dooley to win games for us or lose games for us is inferring that you are wishing games to be lost to get rid of him faster since you have no faith in a coach who hasnt even gotten a chance coach a second of a game for us yet. To speculate what's best for our program now, is just silly. We won't know what's best til we see him coach for us. Give the guy a chance before you wish him out of here.

 

[oregonvol]

The previous thread was fair enough. It's called a hypothetical question. No one suggested that anyone on here should root for the Vols to lose.

But, I hope you Dooley lovers are right, and it's not a question of bad or mediocre, but it's just a matter of waiting a bit for a championship.

So, my question to you guys is this - what would it take for you to change your mind about Dooley? 4-8 next year? 17-20 over the next three years?

 

[Antwan]

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[Antwan]

Another

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[peewee]

Dooley will get the JOB done.. GO VOLS!!!

 

[peewee]

thread

ost-4-1090547912: +1 GO VOLS!!

 

[Nashvol2]

No one wished the Vols would lose. The question was about what's optimal for the program assuming losing is inevitable (and it is).

It was a question beyond your reasoning capacity. Don't let such complex issues frustrate you by trying to understand them. Like many others here, you could damage your mind.

That's why this thread (we'll win them all, forever, by golly) is good for the health of VN homers.

Being a true Vol fan has nothing to do with the mind and everything to do with your heart. Your heart never "assumes losing is inevitable."
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[golfballs]

This thread is much better.

 

[golfballs]

The previous thread was fair enough. It's called a hypothetical question. No one suggested that anyone on here should root for the Vols to lose.

But, I hope you Dooley lovers are right, and it's not a question of bad or mediocre, but it's just a matter of waiting a bit for a championship.

So, my question to you guys is this - what would it take for you to change your mind about Dooley? 4-8 next year? 17-20 over the next three years?

we'll cross the bridge when we get there. you and the rest of the naysayers on the other thread need to just go away until then. :hi:

 

[thunder5]

To say that there is some doubt about whether CDD can ever lose a championship at UT is a gross understatement.

There's also doubt that he will ever not win the SEC East.

Instead, many here and in other UT circles, feel the worst he can do is win 10 games in his first year at UT, but never any less than that. In the meantime, many coaches in the SEC concede that he will out recruit them, but that they will settle for competing for 2nd place.

Before anyone starts claiming that I don't want the Vols to lose a few, let me clarify in saying that you're right, I don't.

Yet, is winning and restoring 'Supremecy' at UT over the next 1 or 2 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley only win and not dominate, allowing his opponents a fair shot be good enough?

This is perfect...Thank you!! :good!:

 

[peewee]

:rock::rock:

To say that there is some doubt about whether CDD can ever lose a championship at UT is a gross understatement.

There's also doubt that he will ever not win the SEC East.

Instead, many here and in other UT circles, feel the worst he can do is win 10 games in his first year at UT, but never any less than that. In the meantime, many coaches in the SEC concede that he will out recruit them, but that they will settle for competing for 2nd place.

Before anyone starts claiming that I don't want the Vols to lose a few, let me clarify in saying that you're right, I don't.

Yet, is winning and restoring 'Supremecy' at UT over the next 1 or 2 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley only win and not dominate, allowing his opponents a fair shot be good enough?

epper: I understand ur thread.. Atleast someone isn't wishing for us to loose... GO VOLS!!!

 

[superdawg51]

The boy can't expect to ride on the laurels of his father. His w/l record in his 1st job speaks volumes. Sure he has better resources at UT but will that guarantee success?

 

[utmba93]

Im pretty aware of what your thread was trying to say. By questioning what's better for our program, Dooley to win games for us or lose games for us is inferring that you are wishing games to be lost to get rid of him faster since you have no faith in a coach who hasnt even gotten a chance coach a second of a game for us yet. To speculate what's best for our program now, is just silly. We won't know what's best til we see him coach for us. Give the guy a chance before you wish him out of here.

That's not exactly the point of the thread. If he wins them all, there's nothing to consider. We're all happy.

If he loses (big step for some here, but it's a high probability event), he could lose at different rates.

Two rates are quite conceivable.

Scenario 1) One rate (say 7 to 9 wins a year) is what got Fulmer fired. If Dooley gets beyond that rate, there's little to consider since it requires winning championships ever so often, right? Fulmer was not having a major issue with winning the SEC East. That had been happening.

Scenario 2) Another rate would be losing more games faster and prompting an earlier transition.

If the end objective for the program is to win championships, the question is about what gets UT there faster: Scenario 1 or Scenario 2?

Simply discounting the question with such hyperbole as 'someone wants us to lose' takes no cognitive effort. Unfortunately, that's what a lot of posts in the thread reflect... a purely emotional response premised on an faulty assumption (e.g. somebody wants the Vols to lose).

 

[SteelerVol]

That's an exaggeration tactic called "poisoning the well".

Let me be totally clear. People leave jobs for better opportunities all of the time for a variety of reasons. EVERYONE who leaves ANY job is dissatisfied about something. Seldom if EVER is it only about money or even title.

I'm NOT surprised that Kiffin left. I called him a mercenary when he was hired. Someone here told me right quick that they didn't care if he'd hang around 3-5 years and win a championship.

It isn't that Kiffin left... it is the completely and totally classless, ungrateful, and unethical way that he did it.

No one wanted him when UT hired him. He was damaged goods. Yet UT not only hired him but gave him an incredible level of support and tolerated many things he did.

He talked a grand "game" about championships, loyalty, discipline, challenges, the greatness of UT, his gratitude for the opportunity, etc.

With all that, I'd still have no problem if he'd left after 2-4 years for USC or anywhere else. For that matter, I wouldn't have really had a problem if he'd left in November so long as he'd kept his promise not to do anything to undermine UT or its recruiting efforts.

How you as a supposed UT fan can still sit there and rationalize and make excuses for the guy after what they did AFTER leaving is beyond me. Even if you're OK with the fact he was so disloyal and ungrateful that he left after only a year... I can't believe that you so easily forgive the fact that he did thing specifically to hurt UT and broke his word after leaving.

When you peel away a man's money and all the rest of his material wealth, take away everything else he can put his hands on, at that point is when all men are on the same ground level and is also when we have only one thing left and that is our WORD. Our word is our credibility and it's either good or bad. Credit is basically the same thing. Your record of completing agreed upon (our word) financial obligations. Anyway, what we do know is that Kiffin's word is CRAP. He says anything with no regard whatsoever to future obligation and it doesn't matter who it hurts whether it's a university or a recruit and their family or Al Davis or God as far as any of us will ever know. A person who proves that their word is useless in some ways is worse than a thief or a murderer
and should be treated with the same disgust. ANY person who finds Kiffin's behavior justifiable must have almost no basement when it comes to bare minimum expectations of integrity for a college football head coach.

 

[3L with debt]

Please point out where I said myself or anyone should be "impressed" with this hire. But, since you bring it up EXPERT, what reasonable hire 2 weeks before NSD in 2010 would have been "impressive" to you? Notice the word reasonable.

Don't worry, I'll wait....

You misread.

I'm not waiting.

 

[3L with debt]

Les Miles is a rich man's Ron Zook. He's just good enough on gameday to get by.

I suspect it won't be a problem after this year. LSU will win 9 or 10 games, but should have won more (again), and LSU's fanbase will be frustrated as heck but not able to fire him.

But Michigan will have a third straight losing season and fire Rich Rod. They'll come calling for a "Michigan man," and they'll find him in Baton Rouge. After three years of RR, they'll take 10-2 seasons with one inexplicable loss a year...as long as he beats Ohio State at least half the time.

I agree. He could hardly be called a success but I can't exactly call him a failure either. IMO, he is the worst possible coach to have; wins too much to fire him but can't really coach and develop players (much like fulmer).

 

[tennezz]

How do you judge a coaching staff before they have even coached a game? They may be bad, they may be average,or they may be the best we have ever had. It will be 2 years before we really know for sure! If they win half or more of our games next year they will exceed my expectations because we will be young and inexperienced at key positions. I believe they will be good ones, but only time will tell!