Who is the worst/most over rated football coach to win a national championship?

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VegasVol said:
...Where would the Tennessee '98 team rank?

1) perfect season, something only Alabama last year managed to do from the SEC;

Also accomplished by these BCS Champions – Florida State, Oklahoma, Miami, Ohio State, USC, and Texas.

2) 4 wins over top-10 opponents, something never exceeded this era;

Only 2 - Florida and Florida State

3) 6 wins over ranked opponents, something never exceeded this era;

5 - Syracuse, Florida, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida State.

4) defeated the ACC winner, the Big East winner, the last two SEC title winners, and two of the three most dominant programs in the era;

1997, 1996 SEC Title winners – Tennessee & Florida. Are you sayng that in 1998 we beat ourselves?

5) won 4 times as an underdog.

Which 4?

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How in the world can anybody include Stallings in this list? Really? Fulmer too! Both teams earned theirs....with undefeated teams....with their recruits....and were successful for years before and after....no fluke championships.
 
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VegasVol said:
From 98-01, we went 2-2 against Florida, when the talent was closer to even. I was comparing the 93-97 matchups.
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Then you should probably include UT players from 97 then, like Jamal Lewis and Travis Henry. I do understand their exclusion from your list, though. Their inclusion doesn't help your argument at all.
 
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chavisut said:
Let's take an in depth look at that '98 squad

Tee Martin- bust
Travis Henry- multiple children
Travis Stephens- bust
Peerless Price- bust
Ced Wilson- multi year career
J. Copeland- never made it

Not that great afterall.
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Travis Henry and Peerless Price both had good NFL careers. At least until Henry started having all of the trouble.
 
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tidefan1 said:
How in the world can anybody include Stallings in this list? Really? Fulmer too! Both teams earned theirs....with undefeated teams....with their recruits....and were successful for years before and after....no fluke championships.
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I hate to agree with a Bammer, but you're right. There are a lot of Fulmer haters on this board.
 
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Vol423 said:
Riedel Anthony (multi-year NFL starter)
Jacquez Green (multi-year NFL starter)
Travis McGriff (multi-year NFL career)

These guys were all massive disappointments in the NFL. Also, without even examining your list, it was immediately obvious that you left off both Travis Henry and Jamal Lewis. There was only one QB that came out of either program during the 90's that wasn't an NFL bust, and that was Peyton Manning, regarded by many as one of the best QB's of all time.
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I was referencing the players who played in the years we lost -- 93-97. If we go with 98-01, we could add players for both teams, with Florida adding a host of players as well. From 98-01, the talent level was even, and we went 2-2, with all four games going down to the wire.

While Anthony & Green were more perfect for Spurrier's offense than the NFL, they were all still much better than Nash & Kent.

Anthony: 37 starts; 144 receptions; 1846 yards; 16 TD
Green: 80 starts; 162 receptions; 2311 yards; 7 TD

Nash: 0 starts; 4 receptions; 76 yards; 0 TD
Kent: 0 starts; 13 receptions; 159 yards; 1 TD

Which tandem would you want on your fantasy team, eh?
 
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Vol423 said:
Who cares? The last time I checked, football games were contested over four quarters, not one.
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Last time I checked, the games were usually out of contention before the second quarter was over. They gave up 33 points in the first half all year. Most of the points they gave up were just garbage points, and they still only gave up 117 points.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
A mediocre Florida guy logs a few seasons in the league, he has a "multi-year career" with "NFL starts" along the way. A UT guy fits the same criteria, and he's conveniently categorized as a "bust."
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How about this -- let's set up an NFL fantasy league, and you pick the Tennessee wideouts, and I'll take the Florida wideouts. Who do you think would win? How close do you even think it would be?
 
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VegasVol said:
Infatuated with Notre Dame? He's done great against the Big 10 in bowl and regular season games -- that's it. He's played how many SEC teams in bowl games? Would that be 0? When you lose at least once as a 20+ point favorite almost every season, you are not an elite coach.
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He kicked Auburn's and Arkansas', and in years they kicked ours, too. They've detonated every major opponent they've faced save one Vince Young lead Texas team. They play so well in big games that people just assume they have a professional team or something to that effect, so whenever they get upset, people love to throw out some crap about how the guy can't coach.
 
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VegasVol said:
There is no objective standard that would consider the 98 title team one of the weaker title teams in the BCS era. Let's use some objective measuring sticks:

1) Undefeated;
2) # of Top-10 Opponents;
3) # of Top-25 Opponents;
4) # of Conference-Winning Opponents;
5) # of Times Expected to Lose During the Season by Vegas standards.

Where would the Tennessee '98 team rank?

1) perfect season, something only Alabama last year managed to do from the SEC;
2) 4 wins over top-10 opponents, something never exceeded this era;
3) 6 wins over ranked opponents, something never exceeded this era;
4) defeated the ACC winner, the Big East winner, the last two SEC title winners, and two of the three most dominant programs in the era;
5) won 4 times as an underdog.

Considering the 1998 title team one of the weakest ever or least deserving ever is patently absurd, revealing the kind of obsessive and irrational Fulmer hatred as its only conceivable motive by a so-called "fan" of Tennessee.
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And considering no one was attacking it but you're still defending it, I guess it's revealing that you live in the past.
 
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tvolsfan said:
He kicked Auburn's and Arkansas', and in years they kicked ours, too. They've detonated every major opponent they've faced save one Vince Young lead Texas team. They play so well in big games that people just assume they have a professional team or something to that effect, so whenever they get upset, people love to throw out some crap about how the guy can't coach.
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They beat Auburn in 2002, when we didn't play them, and in 2003, when our game went to the wire. They didn't play them in 2004. They beat Arkansas in 2005, when we didn't play them, and in 2006, when Arkansas was without McFadden for the game. I measure coaches on-field performance by their talent level. Carroll has only faced 2 team with even close talent, and he lost both games (Texas '05 & Cal '03).

# Regular Seasons Faced 4 Top-10 Opponents: 0 for 9
# Regular Seasons Faced 3 Top-10 Opponents: 0 for 9
# Regular Seasons Faced 2 Top-10 Opponents: 1 for 9

Losses as a Double Digit Point Favorite Since 2006: 5
 
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#339
Without reading all 23 pages of this thread, I have to believe that the OP had Les Miles in mind when coming up with this topic.
 
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tidefan1 said:
How in the world can anybody include Stallings in this list? Really? Fulmer too! Both teams earned theirs....with undefeated teams....with their recruits....and were successful for years before and after....no fluke championships.
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Please enlighten me on all of Fulmer's success after his Championship.
 
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VegasVol said:
They beat Auburn in 2002, when we didn't play them, and in 2003, when our game went to the wire. They didn't play them in 2004. They beat Arkansas in 2005, when we didn't play them, and in 2006, when Arkansas was without McFadden for the game. I measure coaches on-field performance by their talent level. Carroll has only faced 2 team with even close talent, and he lost both games (Texas '05 & Cal '03).

# Regular Seasons Faced 4 Top-10 Opponents: 0 for 9
# Regular Seasons Faced 3 Top-10 Opponents: 0 for 9
# Regular Seasons Faced 2 Top-10 Opponents: 1 for 9

Losses as a Double Digit Point Favorite Since 2006: 5
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So Cal had close talent in 2003 but not 2004? Going to make up some new facts to prove this, I suppose?
 
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Probably stirring up the hornets nest, but how many of the coaches named so far would you take over D. Dooley?
 
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VolDad said:
Please enlighten me on all of Fulmer's success after his Championship.
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For a few years afterward, UT was either in the SECCG or second....to UF. You can't be top dawg every year. It seems UT went downhill after the upset to LSU in the SECCG. That was 2002 I think. So, that's four years after the BCSCG.
 
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VolDad said:
Please enlighten me on all of Fulmer's success after his Championship.
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How about Bob Stoops. I believe he has one championship. He has been highly ranked every year and came up short. If he is a better coach than Fulmer, he should have won at least one more championship during that time.
 
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tvolsfan said:
So Cal had close talent in 2003 but not 2004? Going to make up some new facts to prove this, I suppose?
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The talent gap was close in 2003; USC's 2003 & 2004 classes separated them from everybody else by 2004. But, if it makes you feel better, just consider it another loss to another less talented team by Carroll.
 
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VolDad said:
Please enlighten me on all of Fulmer's success after his Championship.
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I guess you think Bobby Bowden was not a good coach either. They went down hill pretty far during his last few years. Jim Tressell should also be considered. He only has one championship and that was only because of a terrible, late pass inteference call. If not for that, Coker would have 2.
 
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tidefan1 said:
For a few years afterward, UT was either in the SECCG or second....to UF. You can't be top dawg every year. It seems UT went downhill after the upset to LSU in the SECCG. That was 2002 I think. So, that's four years after the BCSCG.
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BCS game in 1999, won SEC east in 2001, won SEC east again in 2004, won SEC east again in 2007. But VolDad considers every season a failure that doesn't include an SEC title. Unless, of course, the coach is named Kiffin, then 7-6 & 0-4 against ranked teams becomes a great success.
 
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VegasVol said:
BCS game in 1999, won SEC east in 2001, won SEC east again in 2004, won SEC east again in 2007. But VolDad considers every season a failure that doesn't include an SEC title. Unless, of course, the coach is named Kiffin, then 7-6 & 0-4 against ranked teams becomes a great success.
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Haha yeah and Fulmer had nothing to do with Kiffin going 7-6, right?
 
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