Who is the worst/most over rated football coach to win a national championship?

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#126
utgibbs said:
I think someone should bring the Faildozer out to save some of you from yourselves.

There is nothing any of you kiddies can launch that will stick to Fulmer or the 1998 championship. It is one of the most deserved championships in the BCS era.

There are a lot of VN posters in this thread losing credibility extremely quickly. But knock yourselves out.
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Is anyone talking about the 1998 national title, or are you just clinging to something no one has argued because you know you can't win an actual debate?
 
#127
#127
tvolsfan said:
Yeah, I'm sure the board looks at the two of us and thinks I'm the losing credibility.
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Well, according to the polls, most of the board agrees with me. But I'm sure you're followers didn't vote.....

Nevertheless, trying to disparriage the 1998 championship will take plenty of credibility away.
 
#128
#128
utgibbs said:
Well, according to the polls, most of the board agrees with me. But I'm sure you're followers didn't vote.....
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What are you talking about?

Nevertheless, trying to disparriage the 1998 championship will take plenty of credibility away.
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Because that happened. But don't let reality stop you.
 
#129
#129
utgibbs said:
I don't know.

But I do know Stoops is 0.0000. Hell, even Fulmer wasn't that bad! And Fulmer had FAR greater recruiting challenges.

It's not germane. The thread would be interesting if it weren't for the not so subtle dig at Fulmer and a TN championship that ranks every bit as great as any in our storied past. And was as deserving as any in the BCS era.

Those ("so-called") Vol fans who would disparriage the 1998 championship in any way are either:

1. Too young to know better
2. Too childish to do better
3. Lost as last year's Easter Egg

And all who do so have ZERO credibility. That's a Game, Set, and Match fact.
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Hahahaha... well, I am one that will throw mud at fulmer every chance I get. Nevertheless, I liked your post.

My problem with fulmer is that he brought the program down further than he ever built it up. In fact, I believe that he drove the program into a ditch and then took a big dump on the hood before he cashed in his "in good hands with MH" insurance policy.
 
#130
#130
utgibbs said:
I think someone should bring the Faildozer out to save some of you from yourselves.

There is nothing any of you kiddies can launch that will stick to Fulmer or the 1998 championship. It is one of the most deserved championships in the BCS era.

There are a lot of VN posters in this thread losing credibility extremely quickly. But knock yourselves out.
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I wouldn't be so sure faildozer would be on your side.
 
#131
#131
tvolsfan said:
That's not the point. Lots of coaches lose big games a times. Only few coaches who have won national titles have shown incompetence. They are the ones who should be mentioned here.
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When you lose big games consistently (which Carr did), then to me that is incompetence.

Of course there are also some great coaches that go through that, and snap out of it. Tom Osborne immediately comes to mind.

Maybe Carr would've snapped out of it, and maybe Fulmer would've wised up against Meyer, Saban, and the like. But we'll never know. Personally, I doubt it.
 
#132
#132
Take a look at the demand for Coker and Fulmer once they became available.

That should tell you all you need to know.
 
#133
#133
tvolsfan said:
Is anyone talking about the 1998 national title, or are you just clinging to something no one has argued because you know you can't win an actual debate?
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Why obfuscate? Oh, right - evaporating credibility, must try something else.....

To disparriage Fulmer or the manner in which he did or did not deserve the title is - well, in the first instance - a frankly stupid proposition. To win the title in the way he did was GREATNESS by definition.
 
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#134
Volwark said:
When you lose big games consistently (which Carr did), then to me that is incompetence.
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Which coaches just go unbeaten every year? I want to see these guys.

Of course there are also some great coaches that go through that, and snap out of it. Tom Osborne immediately comes to mind.
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Steroids helped.

Maybe Carr would've snapped out of it, and maybe Fulmer would've wised up against Meyer, Saban, and the like. But we'll never know.
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Fulmer was never beating Meyer and Saban on any sort of consistent basis.
 
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#136
tvolsfan said:
He shouldn't be, because he hasn't failed, but he's really done little other than capitalize on Vince Young. He gets credit for using that to his advantage instead of getting complacent. However, switch him and Stoops, and OU has 3-4 national titles this decade, and at least 8 conference titles.
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I agree with this. Stoops definitely struggles in the bowl/BCS games. He is 5-6 in post season games. Yeah, I'll take Mack Brown.
 
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#138
utgibbs said:
Why obfuscate? Oh, right - evaporating credibility, must try something else.....

To disparriage Fulmer or the manner in which he did or did not deserve the title is - well, in the first instance - a frankly stupid proposition. To win the title in the way he did was GREATNESS by definition.
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I'm still not sure what you're talking about, since one one's saying anything bad about the 1998 Vols.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
I agree with this. Stoops definitely struggles in the bowl/BCS games. He is 5-6 in post season games. Yeah, I'll take Mack Brown.
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Of course you will. Unless you want to win conference titles. Then you go with the guy winning 3 times as many.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Which coaches just go unbeaten every year? I want to see these guys.
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Come on, you're going a little bit to the extreme. I never said he should've gone defeated every year.

Fulmer was never beating Meyer and Saban on any sort of consistent basis.
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And Carr wasn't beating Tressell either. He lost 6 of his last 7 games to OSU. That's terrible, for a program of Michigan's stature. Tennessee should never lose 6 of 7 games to Florida or Alabama (altho that's happened). Wouldn't you agree?
 
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Volwark said:
Come on, you're going a little bit to the extreme. I never said he should've gone defeated every year.
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I just fail to see what you're arguing. How is a guy consistently winning his conference incompetent? That's reserved for guys who trash their program.



And Carr wasn't beating Tressell either. He lost 6 of his last 7 games to OSU. That's terrible, for a program of Michigan's stature. Tennessee should never lose 6 of 7 games to Florida or Alabama (altho that's happened). Wouldn't you agree?
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Yes? What's your point. I'm not at all saying Carr didn't need to go. I'm just saying it might have been at least a little different in the 90's.
 
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