Who is the worst/most over rated football coach to win a national championship?

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#151
Saying Fulmer was overrated takes nothing away from the '98 season. Coker is widely considered one of the worst coaches to win a title(atleast in my lifetime), but his '01 team is always in a 1-2 debate with '95 Nebraska for best team ever.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Take a look at the demand for Coker and Fulmer once they became available.

That should tell you all you need to know.
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Come on now. Coker is the new head coach for the University of Texas at San Antonio's new football program, which will not even start playing games until 2011. I guess someone still wants him. Fulmer on the other hand? Dang, that makes Fulmer look even worse. :)
 
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chavisut said:
Wow.
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Are you really saying, that the coach that built the team, that went undefeated, beating a boatload of Top Ten teams over the season, who lost his #1 running back early, are you really saying he's one of the least deserving coaches to win a NC?

And frankly, I'm sure he would be the one coach in the modern era outside the rich recruiting zones.

Wow is right. Wow is definitely right. Wave good-bye guys. And for you chavis, very disappointing.
 
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#154
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chavisut said:
Saying Fulmer was overrated takes nothing away from the '98 season. Coker is widely considered one of the worst coaches to win a title(atleast in my lifetime), but his '01 team is always in a 1-2 debate with '95 Nebraska for best team ever.
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I had so much fun watching that team, too. With new scholarship rules, greatness near that level will be really hard to come by.
 
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chavisut said:
Saying Fulmer was overrated takes nothing away from the '98 season. Coker is widely considered one of the worst coaches to win a title(atleast in my lifetime), but his '01 team is always in a 1-2 debate with '95 Nebraska for best team ever.
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'95 Nebraska in a landslide.
 
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utgibbs said:
Are you really saying, that the coach that built the team, that went undefeated, beating a boatload of Top Ten teams over the season, who lost his #1 running back early, are you really saying he's one of the least deserving coaches to win a NC?
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No one should be saying he's as bad as Coker or Miles, and as far as the other coaches, they've all been deserving...

And frankly, I'm sure he would be the one coach in the modern era outside the rich recruiting zones.
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Yeah, Saban is successful because he just recruits Alabama. I bet Bob Stoops never looks outside Oklahoma.
 
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salutethehill said:
'95 Nebraska in a landslide.
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I understand arguments that the Huskers may have had a better resume, and that they may have won if the teams had played, but unless the steroids program was really that good, no one in the history of the college game has the talent to beat the Canes in a landslide.

But I don't want to get into this argument again...
 
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utgibbs said:
Are you really saying, that the coach that built the team, that went undefeated, beating a boatload of Top Ten teams over the season, who lost his #1 running back early, are you really saying he's one of the least deserving coaches to win a NC?

And frankly, I'm sure he would be the one coach in the modern era outside the rich recruiting zones.

Wow is right. Wow is definitely right. Wave good-bye guys. And for you chavis, very disappointing.
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No, I'm not saying he was undeserving. Just of the coaches who have won titles since my following, there are only a couple I would select after Fulmer. Miles and Coker.
 
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#161
Miles has to be #1. He is a moron. I don't see how you can put Fulmer on this list. The guy has one of the best winning percentages in college football history. I know two of his last three seasons were bad, but that don't change what he did over his career.
 
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ddean1357 said:
Miles has to be #1. He is a moron. I don't see how you can put Fulmer on this list. The guy has one of the best winning percentages in college football history. I know two of his last three seasons were bad, but that don't change what he did over his career.
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Not really sure how Coker was better than Miles. Miles blows, but his setup wasn't nearly as good as that of Coker. Coker had the best setup possible, and didn't just fail, he absolutely destroyed the work of the 4 excellent coaches that preceded him.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Not really sure how Coker was better than Miles. Miles blows, but his setup wasn't nearly as good as that of Coker. Coker had the best setup possible, and didn't just fail, he absolutely destroyed the work of the 4 excellent coaches that preceded him.
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Miles was lucky to win and he inherited a loaded team. The stupid call of going for it against Auburn when they were in easy field goal position was stupid. If not for major luck. They would not have made it. He also lost to Arkansas and Kentucky and if not for two bad interseptions late in the game, we would have beat them. I'm not trying to defend Coker, I just think Miles is one of the worst coaches I have ever seen.
 
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ddean1357 said:
Miles was lucky to win and he inherited a loaded team. The stupid call of going for it against Auburn when they were in easy field goal position was stupid. If not for major luck. They would not have made it. He also lost to Arkansas and Kentucky and if not for two bad interseptions late in the game, we would have beat them. I'm not trying to defend Coker, I just think Miles is one of the worst coaches I have ever seen.
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Coker inherited a team that was probably at least 35 points better than anyone else in the game that year.
 
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#169
I saw both teams. This is my opinion. Nebraska was a machine from start to finish. When looking at 2 teams that great, you have to get very picky. I say Nebraska wins in a head-to-head. The "in a landslide" comment was added for drama.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Stoops is far ahead of him. UNC won in an absolute wasteland. Tressel's ahead of him, too. There are other guys who are also ahead.
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Tressel is winning in a terrible conference. Their bottom 6 is horrible. I'd take Brown over Stoops, but that's just me.
 
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#171
Nebraska buzzsawed everybody. Beat four top 10 teams. The NC game is no comparison. Nebraska had to face UF and Steve Spurrier while Miami played a Nebraska team coming off an absolute ass whooping led by Frank Solich. Let's not forget, Tom Osborne vs Larry Coker.
 
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salutethehill said:
I saw both teams. This is my opinion. Nebraska was a machine from start to finish. When looking at 2 teams that great, you have to get very picky. I say Nebraska wins in a head-to-head. The "in a landslide" comment was added for drama.
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Nebraska was more dominant throughout the year, but I think the Miami defense was good enough to stop them.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I just fail to see what you're arguing. How is a guy consistently winning his conference incompetent? That's reserved for guys who trash their program.
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Because I think they should have done more than what they did. Just like I think UT should've done more than what it did under Fulmer, and FSU should've definitely done more than what it did under Bowden.

Yes? What's your point. I'm not at all saying Carr didn't need to go. I'm just saying it might have been at least a little different in the 90's.
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My point all along has been that Carr is overrated. Not as overrated as some, because he never was some kind of darling. Not that he was necessarily a bad coach. Altho I do think there was some incompetence there.

Just as I don't think that Fulmer was a "bad" coach overall (except in his waning years), but definitely overrated. Especially the people that like to cling to his win percentage, and his NC, which doesn't tell the whole story.

I mean, I didn't even include Carr in my list!
 
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ddean1357 said:
Miles has to be #1. He is a moron. I don't see how you can put Fulmer on this list. The guy has one of the best winning percentages in college football history. I know two of his last three seasons were bad, but that don't change what he did over his career.
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If you think Fulmer only had 2 bad seasons at UT, your standards are the same as South Carolina's.

Feasting on Vandy, UK, USC Lite, UGA teams coached by Ray Goff and Jim Donnan, and Alabama teams on probation and coached by Mike Shula isn't exactly what legends are made of.

If he had a winning record against UF instead of annually crapping himself in that rivalry, or won 2 more SEC titles, I might let the 75% win percentage argument stand.
 
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