Why Barnes!?!?!

#76
#76
I said it after the Bama loss, this team is just not anywhere near top 10. Way too many holes. Great group of guys, but after the first 7 our talent level falls off a cliff. In that 7 you only have 2 post players and no point guard. We are a 5 ish seed, probably bounced in the 2nd round. Barnes had some bad evaluations on roster spots 8-13, and he never snagged a PG in recruiting. Thankfully that's coming next year.
 
#77
#77
I said it after the Bama loss, this team is just not anywhere near top 10. Way too many holes. Great group of guys, but after the first 7 our talent level falls off a cliff. In that 7 you only have 2 post players and no point guard. We are a 5 ish seed, probably bounced in the 2nd round. Barnes had some bad evaluations on roster spots 8-13, and he never snagged a PG in recruiting. Thankfully that's coming next year.
You do realize basically no one wants to play more than 7-8 players in a rotation by the end of the season, right? There's not a single team in the country that doesn't fall off a talent cliff after the 7 or 8 man in their rotation.
 
#78
#78
Barnes was as sick about this performance as most of us. Said there will be changes to the line up. Fulky (imagine that) took a large part of the distain. And guard play was atrocius. Anisoke was hardly mentioned.
Fulky just flat out isn't playing hard. Is he hurt? Not sure but part of what made him good is that he out worked his man. That's not happening anymore.
 
#79
#79
You do realize basically no one wants to play more than 7-8 players in a rotation by the end of the season, right? There's not a single team in the country that doesn't fall off a talent cliff after the 7 or 8 man in their rotation.
Florida State has been playing a deep roster the last few years, but most teams are like you say
 
#80
#80
Anosike is a role player. If you think that's what cost us this game or the Bama game not sure what you've been watching. It's our starters and 5 stars that are leaving it in the locker room.
Again, for those of you in the back, I understand that he is a role player. What I’m saying is he is not good enough to justify giving a scholarship to a D1 power five school. Especially out of the transfer market, where we continue to look for answers.
 
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#81
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Barnes has no problem calling out the guards he "chose to bring in", so don't act like Barnes wouldn't call Anosike out last night if he was a problem.
Barnes has expectations based on talent level. If you don’t see that you are completely blind. The reason he’s not calling Anosike out is because Anosike does not have what it takes.
 
#82
#82
You do realize basically no one wants to play more than 7-8 players in a rotation by the end of the season, right? There's not a single team in the country that doesn't fall off a talent cliff after the 7 or 8 man in their rotation.

Maybe so. Doesn't make anything else I said not true. You have two post players and no point guard. And neither of your posts are very good rebounders. Not hating on the guys, just being a realist. I think our expectations were a little too high.
 
#83
#83
He brought in all these kids. Every one of them came in on his watch, now.. If you think Barnes is afraid to call out any of his players, then you haven't been paying attention. He pulls no punches regardless of who you are. He bagged on Grant Williams on several occasions. Your accusation that he is coddling EJA is baseless and ignorant because you don't want to admit that your witchhunt is unjustified.
First, it’s not a witchhunt. It’s me saying that Anosike is not a division one SEC caliber player. He was not coming out of high school and he continues to prove that he is what we thought he MIGHT be. We wasted an opportunity to bring in a true post player that could’ve helped us this year. We did the same thing with Plavy. Haven’t you noticed that Barnes is harder on the players that have more talent? You may not have because you may only be looking at surface level coaching, but I assure you that he is harder on the players that have the most talent and potential. I’m not saying that he’s cuddling him, he’s just not gonna come out and blast a player that he chose to bring in as a post position fix. Because it clearly is not working.
 
#84
#84
Maybe so. Doesn't make anything else I said not true. You have two post players and no point guard. And neither of your posts are very good rebounders. Not hating on the guys, just being a realist. I think our expectations were a little too high.
Hmmm...Sure would’ve been nice to go out and get a great rebounding true post player in the off-season to complement the rest of our players, huh? SMH. You are blind sir! This is exactly what I’m talking about!
 
#85
#85
Hmmm...Sure would’ve been nice to go out and get a great rebounding true post player in the off-season to complement the rest of our players, huh? SMH. You are blind sir! This is exactly what I’m talking about!

Buddy, I was agreeing with you.
 
#86
#86
Buddy, I was agreeing with you.
Sorry.....This board has got me very frustrated. I apologize. The whole point of starting this thread was to say that Anosike is not proving to be the solution that Barnes thought he was going to be. Yet again, we wasted another scholarship on a post player that cannot play in the post. I just can’t believe we have some of the dumbest fans in America. It’s frustrating.
 
#87
#87
First, it’s not a witchhunt. It’s me saying that Anosike is not a division one SEC caliber player. He was not coming out of high school and he continues to prove that he is what we thought he MIGHT be. We wasted an opportunity to bring in a true post player that could’ve helped us this year. We did the same thing with Plavy. Haven’t you noticed that Barnes is harder on the players that have more talent? You may not have because you may only be looking at surface level coaching, but I assure you that he is harder on the players that have the most talent and potential. I’m not saying that he’s cuddling him, he’s just not gonna come out and blast a player that he chose to bring in as a post position fix. Because it clearly is not working.
So, explain why EJA was wanted by Rick Barnes, Mark Few, Chris Mack, Tom Crean, and Steve Forbes, among others. You pretend like Barnes took a major reach by taking Anosike to address the very weakness you complain about (rebounding), yet he was ranked as the #6 available transfer and offers from some really good programs like Gonzaga and Louisville, as well as Tennessee. Feel free to hold the opinion that EJA wasn’t viewed as a high major player after succeeding at Sacred Heart, but 1.) Hindsight is 20/20, and 2.) A lot of high major college coaches disagree with you.

He was never going to average 15 and 11, but it wasn’t out of the question to expect 20 minutes/gm, and 7 and 7. He hasn’t translated to the high major level like many thought, but he is certainly good enough to play as the #8 player on someone’s roster. Don’t pretend like every program has an all-conference caliber player at every spot 1-13. Role players play roles. Every team has them. EJA is a role player. No realistic person expected him to come in and dominate the SEC. There is a middle ground between that and him not even being a “D1 SEC” player. There’s a learning curve from NEC to the SEC, and making that transition is even more difficult with no offseason workouts and a very limited preseason.
 
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So, explain why EJA was wanted by Rick Barnes, Mark Few, Chris Mack, Tom Crean, and Steve Forbes, among others. You pretend like Barnes took a major reach by taking Anosike to address the very weakness you complain about (rebounding), yet he was ranked as the #6 available transfer and offers from some really good programs like Gonzaga and Louisville, as well as Tennessee. Feel free to hold the opinion that EJA wasn’t viewed as a high major player after succeeding at Sacred Heart, but 1.) Hindsight is 20/20, and 2.) A lot of high major college coaches disagree with you.

He was never going to average 15 and 11, but it wasn’t out of the question to expect 20 minutes/gm, and 7 and 7. He hasn’t translated to the high major level like many thought, but he is certainly good enough to play as the #8 player on someone’s roster. Don’t pretend like every program has an all-conference caliber player at every spot 1-13. Role players play roles. Every team has them. EJA is a role player. No realistic person expected him to come in and dominate the SEC. There is a middle ground between that and him not even being a “D1 SEC” player. There’s a learning curve from NEC to the SEC, and making that transition is even more difficult with no offseason workouts and a very limited preseason.
Chris, I think you’re someone who can see that Anosike is just not getting it done on a level we need?
 
#91
#91
Maybe so. Doesn't make anything else I said not true. You have two post players and no point guard. And neither of your posts are very good rebounders. Not hating on the guys, just being a realist. I think our expectations were a little too high.
If they can get the small ball lineup playing good defense, they'll be fine. Springer is a capable ball handler and Pons can handle big men bc of his physicality and leaping ability. If they aren't able to get this lineup playing good ball consistently, I'll be worried. I agree on rebounding and I think that will be our biggest crutch moving forward, but every single team outside of Gonzaga and Baylor has some, at minimum, minor holes right now. If we can patch ours up, we're as capable as any of making a run in March.
 
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#92
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Chris, I think you’re someone who can see that Anosike is just not getting it done on a level we need?
He’s not. Did I not admit as much? I explicitly stated that he hasn’t made the transition that many logical fans expected he would. Those logical fans weren’t expecting him to come in and take the SEC by storm, but they expected him to be a solid contributor. He’s falling short, right now, but saying he was a reach and a wasted scholarship is reactionary and foolish. His current deficiencies are on defense, which is why he doesn’t play more. In terms of rebounding, he leads the team on a per 40 minute basis by a large margin. But if you can’t defend, Barnes is not going to play you any more than he has to.

People here that are against him being a scholarship player are acting as if taking him prevented us from taking some other uber-talented player or that his presence locks us in for years and prevents us from pursuing other players for the 2021 class and beyond.
 
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#93
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He’s not. Did I not admit as much? I explicitly stated that he hasn’t made the transition that many logical fans expected he would. Those logical fans weren’t expecting him to come in and take the SEC by storm, but they expected him to be a solid contributor. He’s falling short, right now, but saying he was a reach and a wasted scholarship is reactionary and foolish. His current deficiencies are on defense, which is why he doesn’t play more. In terms of rebounding, he leads the team on a per 40 minute basis by a large margin. But if you can’t defend, Barnes is not going to play you any more than he has to.

People here that are against him being a scholarship player are acting as if taking him prevented us from taking some other uber-talented player or that his presence locks us in for years and prevents us from pursuing other players for the 2021 class and beyond.
I agree that he wasn’t a reach to give a scholarship to, but I think offensively he is a liability. Rebounding—check. Defense and offense—a big disappointment.
 
#94
#94
So, explain why EJA was wanted by Rick Barnes, Mark Few, Chris Mack, Tom Crean, and Steve Forbes, among others. You pretend like Barnes took a major reach by taking Anosike to address the very weakness you complain about (rebounding), yet he was ranked as the #6 available transfer and offers from some really good programs like Gonzaga and Louisville, as well as Tennessee. Feel free to hold the opinion that EJA wasn’t viewed as a high major player after succeeding at Sacred Heart, but 1.) Hindsight is 20/20, and 2.) A lot of high major college coaches disagree with you.

He was never going to average 15 and 11, but it wasn’t out of the question to expect 20 minutes/gm, and 7 and 7. He hasn’t translated to the high major level like many thought, but he is certainly good enough to play as the #8 player on someone’s roster. Don’t pretend like every program has an all-conference caliber player at every spot 1-13. Role players play roles. Every team has them. EJA is a role player. No realistic person expected him to come in and dominate the SEC. There is a middle ground between that and him not even being a “D1 SEC” player. There’s a learning curve from NEC to the SEC, and making that transition is even more difficult with no offseason workouts and a very limited preseason.
Again, I hold fast to my opinion that he is not a D1 caliber contributor in the SEC. I think we wasted a scholarship. I think he was a big reach, and everyone sees that now. Most of us realize that star players at small schools and small divisions don’t typically have the same results when they go to a power five school. That pretty much goes for all sports. We had an opportunity, yet again, to go get a legitimate difference making post player and we failed.
 
#97
#97
He’s not. Did I not admit as much? I explicitly stated that he hasn’t made the transition that many logical fans expected he would. Those logical fans weren’t expecting him to come in and take the SEC by storm, but they expected him to be a solid contributor. He’s falling short, right now, but saying he was a reach and a wasted scholarship is reactionary and foolish. His current deficiencies are on defense, which is why he doesn’t play more. In terms of rebounding, he leads the team on a per 40 minute basis by a large margin. But if you can’t defend, Barnes is not going to play you any more than he has to.

People here that are against him being a scholarship player are acting as if taking him prevented us from taking some other uber-talented player or that his presence locks us in for years and prevents us from pursuing other players for the 2021 class and beyond.
He’s got HUGE deficiencies all across-the-board. All the talk coming out of the Barnes and Tennessee camp was that he was going to be a rebounding machine. He’s not. He’s not doing anything good enough to warrant the minutes he’s getting.
 
#98
#98
He’s got HUGE deficiencies all across-the-board. All the talk coming out of the Barnes and Tennessee camp was that he was going to be a rebounding machine. He’s not. He’s not doing anything good enough to warrant the minutes he’s getting.
Your selective memory and hyperbole makes an intelligent conversation extremely difficult. No poster whose opinion I respect on this board claimed he was coming in to be a “rebounding machine” who was going to replicate his efforts and numbers from Sacred Heart.

I personally expected 6-7 ppg and 7 rpg and him playing about 20 minutes per game. He is currently playing 11.8 minutes and averaging 2.8 ppg and 3 rpg. At 20 minutes/gm, that would translate to 4.7 ppg and 5.1 rpg. Not terribly far off my expectations, but lower than what I expected, which I have readily admitted multiple times, now. Even still, he leads the team in rebounding on per 40 minute basis at 10.4 rp40, and it isn’t even close. Fulky is the next closest regular contributor at 8.8 rp40. So, the main skill he was recruited for is the skill that he has shown best, just on limited minutes because his defense has not translated. His defense is what was the unknown, and is what is currently preventing him from playing more. He was never recruited to be a scorer.
 

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