Why count our losses beforehand/Believe! (Merged)

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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Which also brings up how terrible our contain was. We never once stopped somebody from getting around the end and I believe that was systematic flaw as well
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That's been happening for 3-4 years though. At times it's been astonishing how bad we've been at getting to the edge on sweeps, swings and screens. We just haven't had anybody that could play inside out from LB.
 
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#78
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KingtUT said:
Not blaming it all on Bray. The defense sucked, no doubt. I will have to go back and see where I said it was all Bray's fault, dont recall saying that.
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I don't know that you ever said it was ALL his fault, but you said his poor attitude and lack of leadership is why he had such a bad record at UT. At least during his final year, he wasn't even remotely part of the problem.
 
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GAVol said:
That's been happening for 3-4 years though. At times it's been astonishing how bad we've been at getting to the edge on sweeps, swings and screens. We just haven't had anybody that could play inside out from LB.
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If we have ends that can get up field this year we can hopefully stop that, the 4-3 will have them out over the tackles so good end play in the 4-3 will really help our contain issues
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I don't know that you ever said it was ALL his fault, but you said his poor attitude and lack of leadership is why he had such a bad record at UT. At least during his final year, he wasn't even remotely part of the problem.
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I disagree. I would like to see a poll on that issue.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
That's the same shizznit that gets recycled threw here and the media constantly so no, you don't have to be knowledgable to see where a team is ranked and base wins and losses by that. I was pointing out the fact you said Dooley and sunseri were never on the field in support of your argument that our players suck.
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We know that your spelling knowledge is as elementary as my football knowledge. I didn't say that the players sucked, but some had bad attitudes, and some were a little slow afoot. I am sure that they were out of position some of the time, but they took poor angles, and weren't fast enough to make up for mistakes.
 
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KingtUT said:
I disagree.
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Why? Four games over the course of the year could be identified as the "swing games", those are UGA, Miss. St., SC, and Mizzou. Again, in those games, Bray and the offense scored 44, 31, 35 and 48 points respectively. He also flat out bailed the sorry-ass defense out of a humiliating loss against Troy. All the other games were either wins on losses all the way, and it probably wouldn't have mattered who played QB, the result would have been the same.
 
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GAVol said:
There's a little truth to that, but there's not a quick cure for how slow we were on defense last year. If we simply don't bust and make teams drive the field, we'll be better. Not sure it will be enough though.

Do I get to still be a fan even though I pointed out people were slow?
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Yes there is. It's call a 4-3 scheme. You could often see the confusion last year...the inability to even line up correctly. I never saw it so bad. I mean players looking around in confusion. That all comes down to Dooley choosing a career position coach to lead his defense in a make or break year. And to compound the problem even further, he chooses to switch to a 3-4...knowing that the defense will suffer for a few years trying to make the adjustment.

He should have brought Randy Shannon in, who had a TON of success at Miami as a 4-3 DC. I personally believe that the players and coaches had experienced Dooley fatigue before the season started. They were optimistic in their offense...but it was a bonehead move to bring Sunseri in and go to a 3-4.

I do believe we'll field a defense that is statistically better than what we've had, since before Kiffin arrived. After watching the O/W game, I also expect Big Mac to wreak havoc on the interior line much of the time. He was collapsing the pocket up the middle on a regular basis. I just hope our other DT's can make a impact too.

As for the offense. We do have some talent at QB. Any one of the 4 could start and we could do well. It's not like we are having to choose between a shell-shocked Crompton, Stephens, and Lamaison.

At WR...I firmly believe we will shock the media, fanbase and much of the SEC, this year. Why? Cause I have never, ever seen this much size at WR. It's usually a luxury to even have two BIG WR's. Yet, we have 3 that are 6'4"+....and Blanc himself is a big target at 6'3." I don't even know that I've ever seen a college team field that much size.

I bet CBJ relishes the opportunity to leverage that size advantage.
 
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Lets flip the script...if Bama/UGA/UF was coming off a losing season where its defense stuggled, they lost the majority of their offensive production, just hired a new coach implementing a new offense, how would you like UT's chances?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Lets flip the script...if Bama/UGA/UF was coming off a losing season where its defense stuggled, they lost the majority of their offensive production, just hired a new coach implementing a new offense, how would you like UT's chances?
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Depends on whether they hired Butch Jones or not, he gets it!
 
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Blah, blah, blah.... Now we're just having a d*** measuring contest. Predictions are generally based on what you last saw on the field. What we saw on the field last year does not inspire confidence. Our d has the chance to be much improved, but we have no idea how these players have developed (or not developed) under the past regime. And as someone else mentioned, it's hard to fix slow. I absolutely want to be incorrect and see an awesome defense hit the field this year, but I'll have to see it to believe it.

As for the offense, it's all about what we have lost. Maybe players do step up and fill the gaps immediately, but rarely do you see a new starting QB, new starting WRs, and a new starting TE come in and tear it up. Again, I hope to be wrong, which is why I won't predict wins and losses, but I can't jump in on blind faith. We the fans have been burned too many times to buy in on faith in a new coach. When I see it on the field, I'll be ready to sing CBJ's praises.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Why do so many "supposed" Vol fans make predictions that we will lose games to UF, UGA, USCjr and Missouri? I'm not one to make predictions, because frankly speaking, non of us have a crystal ball and there are so many things that could happen. Injuries, a win or a loss based on a referee's call, etc.

But when you consider that even with Dooley in charge and the Cluster-Funk defense Sal Sunseri was running, we still managed to be in the UF, UGA, USCjr, Miss St. and Missou games right until the end. We led Florida until the 4th Qtr. That's 5 games we could easily have won if we simply had not switched to a 3-4 defense. Instead of 5-7, we could have had a 11-1 or 10-2 regular season.

If all you can do is look at the last year's results and predict the same outcome, then why even both making a prediction in the first place. It doesn't take any special insight or football acumen to do that. It's also kind of cowardly, IMHO. Why? Cause you are afraid you'll be scorned and laughed at for doing otherwise.

We had less depth the year before, under Wilcox and yet had much better defensive stats. This year, going back to a 4-3, we have more talent and more depth than we've had in years....yet so many of you want to sell this team short and claim we'll lose all those games this year. WTF, over?

This is like telling your kid they'll be stupid and never amount to anything, just because they brought home a bad report card. Damn, folks. Don't talk down your team like this. The best thing you can say is that you simply don't know....cause that is the reality of it.
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Lets just be glad none of these guys play on the team. With their defeatist attitude we would never win a game hahaha. Lucky for me I don't have to deal in reality cause I'm a FAN not a sports writer or commentator. So I will go with my original prediction .. NC baby ... I believe and so should you just ask Butch!!!!
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Why? Four games over the course of the year could be identified as the "swing games", those are UGA, Miss. St., SC, and Mizzou. Again, in those games, Bray and the offense scored 44, 31, 35 and 48 points respectively. He also flat out bailed the sorry-ass defense out of a humiliating loss against Troy. All the other games were either wins on losses all the way, and it probably wouldn't have mattered who played QB, the result would have been the same.
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I happen to believe his lack of leadership (sorry attitude) had a lot to do with us losing to Va, Va, Van.....I cant even say it. He goes 11-29 with 2 ints. Guess I cant blame him at all for that one? Again its not all his fault by any means, the whole team had given up at that point, but he did his fair share of spreading his "dont care" attitude in my opinion. Love his talent, hate what sits on his shoulders.
 
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GAVol said:
So tired of this argument. You don't have to go full on mently handicapped and deny reality in order to be a fan.
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Then we shouldn't have watched the Sugar Bowl in 1985, because most didn't think we had a chance against a powerhouse Miami team.
 
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