Why is it taking so long to turn around?

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LebanonVolunteer said:
Just something to think about. UT has fewer FR & SO's starting than Bama, UGA, and UF. These kids have started 20-30 games or more in some cases. The excuses are getting old. I figured the defense would struggle a LITTLE while installing the 3-4. Not being able to tackle has nothing to do with installing a defense. Quitting has nothing to do with rebuilding.
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uga's,alabama and uf freshman and soph all had sr an jr teammates to help them.our jrs and sophs have had what to help them.they've had to learn on the field and they're still learning.DD's first year team had more leaders on the field than 2011 and 2012.everybody seems to miss this fact.most of our jr starters that have played meaningful mins are on the o-line,qb and j hunter.the rest are either juco or this is their first year of playing.the only ones on def with meaningful pt are p wagg,j smith,and m teague,this is jr or above.they're (again)learning a new def system.

whatever,i'm tired of explaining.
 
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Too many excuses guys, no reason to be this bad on def. These kids all played some sort of ball in highschool and I'm pretty sure they were taught how to tackle but to all of the sudden forget??? This is all on the coaching staff at UT whether you want to blame current staff or last yrs staff take your pick, they both suck either way.Transition to the 3-4 will cause issues but not tackling and holding your gap assignments, poor coaching is the issue here.
 
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VolMax said:
I think the above link is in response to a request for a link establishing/sourcing the statement above in bold.

If so, FAIL.
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Why did we hire him in the first place, because of his daddy or what I would like to know or was he the only one that would take the job, we got to open up the bank vault and pay some big money and get a winner in here instead of a loser like we got.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Why did we hire him in the first place, because of his daddy or what I would like to know or was he the only one that would take the job, we got to open up the bank vault and pay some big money and get a winner in here instead of a loser like we got.
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IMO Dooley was hired because he was a Dooley and would take the job for the 2 million dollars Hamilton was shopping with. Dooley was a coach who could step in right away and deal with the possible NCAA stuff that was coming up. He had no past NCAA issues and that means something when they have you under the microscope. People mention Brian Kelly, Lovie Smith, Gruden, Muschamp, and whoever else. None of these guys were taking the job for bottom of the SEC money. Joker Philips at UK is the ONLY coach in the SEC who makes less than Dooley. We hired a budget coach and we are getting budget results.
 
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WestGaVol said:
Too many excuses guys, no reason to be this bad on def. These kids all played some sort of ball in highschool and I'm pretty sure they were taught how to tackle but to all of the sudden forget??? This is all on the coaching staff at UT whether you want to blame current staff or last yrs staff take your pick, they both suck either way.Transition to the 3-4 will cause issues but not tackling and holding your gap assignments, poor coaching is the issue here.
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Poor tackling is currently a nationwide epidemic not just a Dooley lead team problem. It isn't an excuse it's a legit factor. CDD has had a massive job to do from teaching kids how to shower properly, dealing with NCAA issues, and now he has to teach kids proper tackling technique. When do we start blaming the parents, previous UT coaches and HS coaches for some of this??? Geez some of y'all have no clue and can't fathom what it takes to be able to rebuild something of this magnitude. Especially with the competition being at the top of the industry.

I don't know if cdd is the next Neyland but I do believe he's the best coach to fix all that is wrong with our football program. Because of that I'm willing to take a loss until I feel IMO he's had enough time to do so, and at the same time seeing progress in other parts of the program that IMO will bring wins.
 
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The excuses for Dooley are getting stretched out thinner and thinner. Its interesting that nothing wrong with this program is his fault, after 2 and a half years of running it.
 
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Alot of these guys missing tackles have been playing at UT for 20-30 or more games now. Hundreds of practices. Just how long does it take to teach a kid to break down and tackle someone? Maybe by their SR year they will have an idea of how to tackle a guy. I guess baby steps are the way to go. After all, it's happening all over the country. USCe's defense sure did not miss many tackles the other night.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Poor tackling is currently a nationwide epidemic not just a Dooley lead team problem. It isn't an excuse it's a legit factor. CDD has had a massive job to do from teaching kids how to shower properly, dealing with NCAA issues, and now he has to teach kids proper tackling technique. When do we start blaming the parents, previous UT coaches and HS coaches for some of this??? Geez some of y'all have no clue and can't fathom what it takes to be able to rebuild something of this magnitude. Especially with the competition being at the top of the industry.

I don't know if cdd is the next Neyland but I do believe he's the best coach to fix all that is wrong with our football program. Because of that I'm willing to take a loss until I feel IMO he's had enough time to do so, and at the same time seeing progress in other parts of the program that IMO will bring wins.
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I willive him one more season(2013) and then its time to assess the coaching. At that point he will have "his players" that he has recruited and coached for 4yrs, if not any better than they currently are then it will be time to send him back to LaTech
 
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WestGaVol said:
I willive him one more season(2013) and then its time to assess the coaching. At that point he will have "his players" that he has recruited and coached for 4yrs, if not any better than they currently are then it will be time to send him back to LaTech
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Maybe you have not noticed LaTech of late. They would NOT be looking to take Dooley back. At least, not as HC.
 
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My only problem with this staff is there is no "coaching up" the younger guys. If there is a better player thats a frosh put his a** in the game. We sat and watched Simms suck it up till half the season was gone before Bray came in and now were letting the talented frosh set again in hopes of redshirting them so we can have one more yr of value out of the kids, well ask st. richt about that, put your best on the field and if they're not ready then its your fault as a coaching staff for failing that athlete. There is way to many HC on this board that have rebuilt many programs that know exactly what to do so we just sit back and hope Dooley is reading the board to get answers
 
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Because we had three coaches in a three year time period (Fulmer 2008, Kiffin 2009, Dooley 2010) and just now starting to recover.

Can you name another program that has had 3 coaches in three successive years?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Alot of these guys missing tackles have been playing at UT for 20-30 or more games now. Hundreds of practices. Just how long does it take to teach a kid to break down and tackle someone? Maybe by their SR year they will have an idea of how to tackle a guy. I guess baby steps are the way to go. After all, it's happening all over the country. USCe's defense sure did not miss many tackles the other night.
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BINGO! As a Bear fan I sit in amazement on a weekly basis watching Charles (Peanut) Tilman. Not only is he the most underrated player at his position in the NFL, he might be the most underrated player in the league period. He doesn't have your "prototype" CB speed yet he has locked down every teams best WR for about ten strait years. What he lacks in speed he more than makes up for in AWARENESS and physicality. Dude has 8 career defensive scores, most in Bears history. Not bad for a "slow" guy considering all of the phenomenal defensive players the Bears have had thru the years. Some guys are blazing fast yet can't control it or are a step slow because they lack awareness. Others like Tilman lack speed yet are a step ahead because they are smart. Perhaps some of our DBs are not blazing fast. But they were highly recruited players for the most part. Most here were happy when we landed them, now they say we need to replace them. Speed or no speed...missed tackles, being out of position, and leaving guys WIDE OPEN points towards one thing. Coaching. We're not coaching them up simple and plain. Next time you catch the Bears on TV, watch Peanut. Or simply watch sportscenter, because it's almost a given he's gonna shine.
 
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RichRollin said:
Do you consider Eric Gordon better or worse than Teague?
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At corner EG got beat by Carl Moore repeatedly on 3rd and long. Cost us the 2010 UF game (along with the fake punt). Georgia burned him too when he played corner that year. Neither is better. They are both bad corners. I know it is akin to sacrilege, but I LOVE how Purifoy plays corner. He will be in the league. Starting.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
The excuses for Dooley are getting stretched out thinner and thinner. Its interesting that nothing wrong with this program is his fault, after 2 and a half years of running it.
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I see things that I dont agree with, but I'm not privy to the reason why they were done. I'm sure there are things he wish he wouldn't have done knowing how it turned out but once it's done it's done. That's life man.

Saban came out last week and said that the current speed of offenses in cfb is bad for the game. Wears teams out and can cause higher # of injuries from bad tackling and other factors. Is he making an excuse???

Some of y'all need to understand the difference between an excuse and reason/factors.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
at nickel, yes.

At corner, I would assume he would have to be, but what does it matter. Coach after coach doesn't see him as a starting corner, and they know more than we. Something else is there. Maybe he gets toasted on every play at corner, but is more comfortable and plays faster at the nickel. That happens all the time.

The question was about speed anyway. Whatever Teague and Brewer run, it's slow. Too slow to catch other teams TE in the open field and the slowest in the league. All db's make mistakes, but speed helps them lessen a mistake or makeup for one. When you don't have it, mistakes loom larger.
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Mcneil and Randolph are SEC safeties. We don't have SEC corners, other than Bonner and Gray, who are freshmen.
It will take time to build this thing up the right way. Teague and his terrible play cost us Randolph cuz he was trying to cover for Teague's mistake. We need Alexander bad.
 
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WestGaVol said:
My only problem with this staff is there is no "coaching up" the younger guys. If there is a better player thats a frosh put his a** in the game. We sat and watched Simms suck it up till half the season was gone before Bray came in and now were letting the talented frosh set again in hopes of redshirting them so we can have one more yr of value out of the kids, well ask st. richt about that, put your best on the field and if they're not ready then its your fault as a coaching staff for failing that athlete. There is way to many HC on this board that have rebuilt many programs that know exactly what to do so we just sit back and hope Dooley is reading the board to get answers
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Please understand that a huge factor of a young players development is the competition he practices against. We don't have sec quality upperclassman depth to help the young kids learn from.

Cdd is doing what he can to get young talent in but they are learning during games how to play against elite talent not during practice. This isn't a good position for us to be in, and why many of us want him to have the time to get more talent in here.
 
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volberry said:
I don't even blame DD. I just want to know why it takes us 5 years and we're still in the bottom half of the east. I don't get it.
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It is 5 years to you and I but the coach trying make the roster fit his system he is just in year 2.5 and can you really blame him for the state of the program when he arrived here.
 
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PimpVol said:
At corner EG got beat by Carl Moore repeatedly on 3rd and long. Cost us the 2010 UF game (along with the fake punt). Georgia burned him too when he played corner that year. Neither is better. They are both bad corners. I know it is akin to sacrilege, but I LOVE how Purifoy plays corner. He will be in the league. Starting.
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LOL, he was a freshman. Are you really gonna throw up what he did as a freshman. I'll bet you money he has more big play capability and is FAR more physical. He might get burned some but he's gonna make big plays too. That's WAY better than getting burned all the time and making no big plays.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Please understand that a huge factor of a young players development is the competition he practices against. We don't have sec quality upperclassman depth to help the young kids learn from.

Cdd is doing what he can to get young talent in but they are learning during games how to play against elite talent not during practice. This isn't a good position for us to be in, and why many of us want him to have the time to get more talent in here.
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Smashing teams like Akron is a good way to get your youngsters feet wet. That's what most good teams do.
 
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