Would you still want pearl gone if he didn't lie?

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BigPapaVol said:
It is absolutely idiotic. The silliness about scale of liberalism was even more dense. Berkeley and UVA couldn't be more different, yet both are universally acclaimed as top tier institutions. Hell, the govt owns my Alma mater and it is conservative as it can be.
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Exceptions sometimes prove the rule.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Where's the lie and why the absurdity about one coax on earth being able to make a field of 68. Your boy is crawling in on his back this year with the most talent he's had.
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I don't understand the talent argument. No pg, no post, no shooters. I don't know how that equals the most talent he's had. Athletes? Yes. Ball players? No way. He wouldn't have been picked 4th in the east in the preseason if those in the know thought a 2 time sec coach of the year had his most talented team.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Touché. Point stands.

Must be my public / private education.
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Going back to your point. There are coaches who could do as good of a job of Bruce. But if you don't think Bruce has done an excellent job with this program than you are delusional. If you think we are just going to roll out anybody and they are going to do a better job than Bruce, you are delusional. If you think that we are going to get a top-tier, proven coach, you are delusional. There is probably some guy out there that we can get who can do the job. But we don't know who he is. It's a crapshoot trying to replace him with our options.
 
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pl3 said:
I don't understand the talent argument. No pg, no post, no shooters. I don't know how that equals the most talent he's had. Athletes? Yes. Ball players? No way. He wouldn't have been picked 4th in the east in the preseason if those in the know thought a 2 time sec coach of the year had his most talented team.
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There are at least two NBA players on this roster. His inability to provide any of the skills you lament.

Bad for you that your argument is a dead end either way. One, the player development, skill coaching, evaluation and recruiting suck; the other, the prep and game coaching suck. Nice point.
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CarrytheFight said:
Going back to your point. There are coaches who could do as good of a job of Bruce. But if you don't think Bruce has done an excellent job with this program than you are delusional. If you think we are just going to roll at anybody and they are going to do a better job than Bruce, you are delusional. If you think that we are going to get a top-tier, proven coach, you are delusional. There is probably some guy out there that we can get who can do the job. But we don't know who he is. It's a crapshoot trying to replace him with our options.
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Clearly your boy's unethical conduct charges make it tougher for our money and facilities to get what we need.
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CarrytheFight said:
Is it that hard to understand? The fact that you have to point out a few specific conservative schools, just proves that most of them are liberal.
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Don't be stupid. Your point was that all are the same and it was senseless. Silliness about liberal quotient just made it dumber.
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CarrytheFight said:
Going back to your point. There are coaches who could do as good of a job of Bruce. But if you don't think Bruce has done an excellent job with this program than you are delusional. If you think we are just going to roll out anybody and they are going to do a better job than Bruce, you are delusional. If you think that we are going to get a top-tier, proven coach, you are delusional. There is probably some guy out there that we can get who can do the job. But we don't know who he is. It's a crapshoot trying to replace him with our options.
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Someone who doesn't cheat would be a tremendous step in the right direction.
 
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Either way we are in the tourney. I remember the days when we begged to get a bid. Getting rid of Pearl over one bad year (still making the tourney) is ridiculous.
 
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Zasnow said:
Either way we are in the tourney. I remember the days when we begged to get a bid. Getting rid of Pearl over one bad year (still making the tourney) is ridiculous.
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Who's arguing that the atrocious underperformance is the reason people want a change?
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BigPapaVol said:
There are at least two NBA players on this roster. His inability to provide any of the skills you lament.

Bad for you that your argument is a dead end either way. One, the player development, skill coaching, evaluation and recruiting suck; the other, the prep and game coaching suck. Nice point.
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Here's what you can do. You can go back and look at Bruce's resume. Look at the places he has been. Look at where those programs were when he got there. Look where he elevated them to. Then look how fast he did it. What this will prove to you, and any reasonable minded person, is that he is an excellent coach. There is no reason to dig in to specific games and specific plays and all this garbage. He has proven that he can get the job done. And with the variety he has done it (style, talent level, etc.) he's all but proven he is going to continue to get the job done.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Clearly your boy's unethical conduct charges make it tougher for our money and facilities to get what we need.
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Exactly, which goes back to one of the early points in the thread. Is our goal to punish Bruce, or to be a good basketball program?
 
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He can turn around programs. Beyond that, we've seen nearly nothing. This debate exists because of our moribund history as a comparison point, not because we've achieved greatness. Freaking Stan Heath couldn't coach his way out of a paper sack and stumbled ass backward to the E8.
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BigPapaVol said:
Who's arguing that the atrocious underperformance is the reason people want a change?
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That's the new diversion the Pearlophiles and Pearl's sycophants in the media are trying to use. They believe if they act like this is all about people wating him fired for this year's lousy product, the 'AA issues will be obscured. Just another attempt at the smoke and mirrors approach the piece of trash has built his entire career on over the years.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Don't be stupid. Your point was that all are the same and it was senseless. Silliness about liberal quotient just made it dumber.
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My point should have simply been, none of them are good. Some may be better than others, they all suck.
 
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CarrytheFight said:
Exactly, which goes back to one of the early points in the thread. Is our goal to punish Bruce, or to be a good basketball program?
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The goal is to move away from a coach who is lying to the AA and trying to convince others to help. It has nothing to do with the actual coaching. We would like to avoid having AL's or KY's serial cheater brand.
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CarrytheFight said:
My point should have simply been, none of them are good. Some may be better than others, they all suck.
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Relative to?

Maybe you don't know that we still have to best higher education system in the world. Those schools getting to pick the best students helps them maintain that.
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BigPapaVol said:
He can turn around programs. Beyond that, we've seen nearly nothing. This debate exists because of our moribund history as a comparison point, not because we've achieved greatness. Freaking Stan Heath couldn't coach his way out of a paper sack and stumbled ass backward to the E8.
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Ernie Kent has two Elite Eights on his resume. Pretty sure he won't be getting a call from the folks in Springfield or Kansas City any time soon.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Relative to?

Maybe you don't know that we still have to best higher education system in the world. Those schools getting to pick the best students helps them maintain that.
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Don't mention facts to this guy. He thinks that Bruce Pearl invented the game of basketball.
 
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Zasnow said:
Getting rid of Pearl over one bad year (still making the tourney) is ridiculous.
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Where are people getting this? Aside from the typical reactionary stuff from people frustrated after tough losses, i haven't heard a single person argue that Pearl should be fired based on wins and losses.
 
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