Would you still want pearl gone if he didn't lie?

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eaglevol said:
Up until 1975, only a conference champion could be in the NCAA tournament. This all started to change when South Carolina went 14-0 in the ACC and was 25-3 overall and did not make the NCAA tournament. In 1971, USC lost 2 games all year (both to UCLA) and was ranked #2 in the country and didn't make the NCAA Tourney. In 1974, NC State and Maryland were ranked #2 and #3 in the country. NCSU won the ACC tournament and Maryland stayed home. So the tournament was expanded. Prior to that, UT was in the same situation with Kentucky always winning the SEC. Ray Mears had season records that would have probably added 10 more NCAA appearances using today's standards. UT has also had 24 All American players, only one during Pearl's time and he wasn't recruited by Pearl. By today's standards, at least 7 of Coach John Mauer's teams would have probably made the NCAA. At least 5 of Coach Emmett Lowery's teams could have. So to say Coach Pearl is the only coach to take us to the NCAA consistently is disregarding how the tournament worked back in the day. He's not the only good coach we've had, and in some ways, Ray Mears is probably the best coach Tennessee has had in basketball. He has done a good job, but if needed, I believe we can find another coach to do a good job as well. Coach Pearl is not bigger than the University of Tennessee or our history.
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Beautifully done.
 
#128
#128
CarrytheFight said:
I'm sorry but Volnation is far from the overall consensus. The overall consensus has enough sense to know that Tennessee basketball was not the same before him and it probably won't be the same after him.
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WADE HOUSTON WADE HOUSTON BUZZ PETERSON BUZZ PETERSON WADE HOUSTON!!!!!

Hint: Doug Dickey's not the AD anymore.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
WADE HOUSTON WADE HOUSTON BUZZ PETERSON BUZZ PETERSON WADE HOUSTON!!!!!

Hint: Doug Dickey's not the AD anymore.
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Hint: we arent getting anyone better than Bruce Pearl no matter who the A.D. is. If we do its going to be luck. Because there is noone out there who we can hire who has done anything that suggests they will.
 
#131
#131
I will admit that it's probably true that some other coach probably wouldn't have looked at that matchup against an Oklahoma State team of midgets, considered the fact that we had the worst three-point shooting team in the entire tournament, and figured out the best way to attack them was to shoot over 30 threes. Huge size advantage down low? Bring your center out and have him shoot more threes than twos. It took a basketball genius with a godly Horizon League resume to figure that one out.
 
#132
#132
CarrytheFight said:
Hint: we arent getting anyone better than Bruce Pearl no matter who the A.D. is. If we do its going to be luck. Because there is noone out there who we can hire who has done anything that suggests they will.
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I think there are plenty of coaches who can do a solid job, maybe even win the conference one year and not embarrass the university and get us in trouble with the NCAA.
 
#133
#133
CarrytheFight said:
I think its more like "God, I hope he makes it through this"
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You think, I talk to people and actually get the opinion.

No one wants this to happen. No one wanted an investigation, no one wanted allegations against Pearl, and no one sure as heck wanted the affect it's had on the team this year and potential affects down the road. I would much rahter be debating on if we were a 3 or 4 seed right now as opposed to this.

Unfortunately what has happened is life and UT cannot go on with Pearl if he has anything more than 20 game suspension. The NCAA has shown over and over again that the one thing they are fairly consistent in is laying the hammer to people who lie. IMO, if he han't come clena we would probably be talking a 4 or 5 year show-cause. Two year is going to be showing a tad bit of mercy if it comes to that.

You cannot operate in "interim" mode for one or two seasons. Bruce Pearl has brought this on himself and the university. No one woke up on September 14, 2010 (or 13th, whatever) wanting to be in this position, but there is no one else to blame but Pearl himself.
 
#134
#134
CarrytheFight said:
Hint: we arent getting anyone better than Bruce Pearl no matter who the A.D. is. If we do its going to be luck. Because there is noone out there who we can hire who has done anything that suggests they will.
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W can get one that doesn't lie to the AA and can top that off by never having to collude with recruits to mitigate damage.
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#137
#137
CarrytheFight said:
Hint: we arent getting anyone better than Bruce Pearl no matter who the A.D. is. If we do its going to be luck. Because there is noone out there who we can hire who has done anything that suggests they will.
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I would settle for hiring one who can actually get his players to take decent shots when the game's on the line and not whine to the press afterwards that they didn't run the right play. Oh, and who wouldn't get busted for major violations and charged with unethical conduct by the NCAA. That too.
 
#138
#138
shortgameVol said:
Sure he does. He will even admit he would rather coach an up-tempo game. It can be argued he is a pretty good developer of talent. Lofton got a lot better after Pearl arrived. So did CJ. Andre Patterson did NOTHING before Pearl got here. Same with Dane. I know he didn't recruit any of them, but he made them better for sure.
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Simply not true. Lofton hit 48.6% from the field and 46.5% of threes as a freshman while average 13 pts a game; he hit 46.6% from the field and 43.7% on threes as a sophomore while averaging 17 pts a game. A monkey as coach would have gotten the same results.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I will admit that it's probably true that some other coach probably wouldn't have looked at that matchup against an Oklahoma State team of midgets, considered the fact that we had the worst three-point shooting team in the entire tournament, and figured out the best way to attack them was to shoot over 30 threes. Huge size advantage down low? Bring your center out and have him shoot more threes than twos. It took a basketball genius with a godly Horizon League resume to figure that one out.
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I graduated UT the same year you did and played another sport there so I'm not just a bandwagon fan or looking for a sarcastic response. I've read many of your posts and you make some good points. But is there something else there? You seem to refuse to say one good thing about the program under BP the last few years. I could be mistaken, but didn't ok state have Anderson? He's far from a midget. Picking out losses from past years and refusing to give BP credit for anything makes no sense to me. I have no problem calling him out for his assets and inadequacies, but some seem to only look one direction and assume the next coach will be free of error.
 
#141
#141
tigervol9802 said:
You cannot operate in "interim" mode for one or two seasons.
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Sure you can. There's no hole so deep that Bruce Pearl cannot dig us out of it. Pearl deserves a lifetime job at Tennessee because he's not Wade Houston. We can be like the FREE MIKE TYSON guys, wearing t-shirts with his face on them for two years, secure in the knowledge that in only two more seasons Pearl will get his recruiting cookouts cranked up and he'll be back on the bench, sweating his ass off and mangling the end of close games again just like always.
 
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#142
JZVOL said:
How about one regular season title in six years? And if BP is back the roster for '10-'11 will not win the SEC so might as well make it one for seven.
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The first two years he was here the nat. Champion came from the sec. Hardly so how this says if he is a good or bad coach.
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#143
#143
papatomany said:
Simply not true. Lofton hit 48.6% from the field and 46.5% of threes as a freshman while average 13 pts a game; he hit 46.6% from the field and 43.7% on threes as a sophomore while averaging 17 pts a game. A monkey as coach would have gotten the same results.
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You cant honestly say that chris wasnt better under bruce than under buzz?Would chris have been good under buzz? Sure because of who he was as a player but to simply ignore the influence of bruce on him doesnt seem right either.
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#144
#144
CarrytheFight said:
Alot of people clearly want Pearl gone and after each loss they use it as another reason to fire him. Really? You think that his team's poor performance this year is a firable offense. This guy is not a mediocre coach and his resume proves it. This has been a tough year on and off the court. If you want him gone because of the off-court stuff fine. But stop using the team's poor play as justification.
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I certainly don't want an admitted cheat as the coach of the team I'm pulling for. It's one of the reasons it's so easy to pull against Calipari.

But... to be honest, there are so many glaring holes in Pearl's coaching abilities that unless he's pushing the "Controlled Chaos" approach, I'm very unhappy to have him as our coach. The last three years have been very hard for me to watch. There are only so many mysterious coaching decisions I can handle before I find something else to do during the games and just read the box score afterwards. Just like there were only so many times I could watch Fulmer and Chavis go into "prevent-a-win" defense without losing interest. No, I don't think his record is actually "a firable offense", but I sure won't miss him when he's gone.
 
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#145
Yes you will miss him when he is gone. Because chances are the next guy wont be close to as successful. But I guess there are the fans who get "embarrassed" because their coach told a lie, OH MY. But I guess their are the fans who would rather like the coach personally than win at a high level.
 
#146
#146
pl3 said:
I graduated UT the same year you did and played another sport there so I'm not just a bandwagon fan or looking for a sarcastic response. I've read many of your posts and you make some good points. But is there something else there? You seem to refuse to say one good thing about the program under BP the last few years. I could be mistaken, but didn't ok state have Anderson? He's far from a midget. Picking out losses from past years and refusing to give BP credit for anything makes no sense to me. I have no problem calling him out for his assets and inadequacies, but some seem to only look one direction and assume the next coach will be free of error.
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The problem with arguing with the guys who've bought completely into the cult of personality surrounding Pearl is that you end up sounding a lot more negative than you really are, because a lot of them really seem to think that he's Tennessee's one and only basketball messiah. He is a good coach, not great; he is not irreplaceable. After his first year or two at Tennessee, I thought that maybe we'd hired an elite coach, but after watching him for a few more years I realized that he has too many obvious weaknesses and that unfortunately his ceiling was a lot lower than I'd hoped. Still a good coach, but just not a great one. The WHO YA GONNA GIT? crowd thinks it's either Pearl or Buzz Peterson; they don't seem to realize that there are 350 Division 1 coaches in the country and every one of them likes money.

That OSU team played four guards; their tallest player was 6-6. We had an enormous size advantage but made no effort to exploit it because we had no ability to run a half-court offense. We attempted over 30 threes despite being the worst shooting team in the tournament; Chism himself shot nine. No great (or even really good) coach lets that game play out like that.
 
#147
#147
Vercingetorix said:
Sure you can. There's no hole so deep that Bruce Pearl cannot dig us out of it. Pearl deserves a lifetime job at Tennessee because he's not Wade Houston. We can be like the FREE MIKE TYSON guys, wearing t-shirts with his face on them for two years, secure in the knowledge that in only two more seasons Pearl will get his recruiting cookouts cranked up and he'll be back on the bench, sweating his ass off and mangling the end of close games again just like always.
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Not gonna lie, if they made Free Bruce PEarl t-shirts I'd buy one for novelty's sake.
 
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#148
Personally, I was disappointed that he lied to the NCAA, but i gave him a pass when he admitted to it. I just wrote it off to giving into the temptation to fib during a weak moment. Happens to everybody.

However, when the letter arrived form the NCAA outlining the fact that Bruce, a mere four days subsequent to his tearful press conference, committed a new infraction...my opinion of the man changed.

I'm sure alot of people feel the same way. People are looking at him in a more negative light, now...and his other flaws are easier to see.
 
#149
#149
vercingetorix said:
the problem with arguing with the guys who've bought completely into the cult of personality surrounding pearl is that you end up sounding a lot more negative than you really are, because a lot of them really seem to think that he's tennessee's one and only basketball messiah. He is a good coach, not great; he is not irreplaceable. After his first year or two at tennessee, i thought that maybe we'd hired an elite coach, but after watching him for a few more years i realized that he has too many obvious weaknesses and that unfortunately his ceiling was a lot lower than i'd hoped. Still a good coach, but just not a great one. The who ya gonna git? Crowd thinks it's either pearl or buzz peterson; they don't seem to realize that there are 350 division 1 coaches in the country and every one of them likes money.

That osu team played four guards; their tallest player was 6-6. We had an enormous size advantage but made no effort to exploit it because we had no ability to run a half-court offense. We attempted over 30 threes despite being the worst shooting team in the tournament; chism himself shot nine. No great (or even really good) coach lets that game play out like that.
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who we gonna git?
 
#150
#150
CarrytheFight said:
Yes you will miss him when he is gone. Because chances are the next guy wont be close to as successful. But I guess there are the fans who get "embarrassed" because their coach told a lie, OH MY. But I guess their are the fans who would rather like the coach personally than win at a high level.
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You would have been a huge Ron Meyer fan back in the day.
 
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