Wow I am suprised about all the negative posters here.

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Orangekush423 said:
Pleas regarding our HC sets or lack thereof aren't the target of the above posts. Hatred and negativity and slander are however. I get just as frustrated as the next guy watching the atrocity that is our hc sets. But I don't bash and hate and call names.
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nice excuse. Coaching happens on the basketball floor and what is or is not said on this site is immaterial to our play.

Right now, our defense remains weak (but that's a step up relative to the remainder of CBPs tenure) and our offense doesn't exist, again. Falling back on our history to salve those wounds just doesn't work. These issues need to be addressed now if this team is going to win.
 
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volinasheville said:
"Huggins directed Cincinnati to ten conference regular-season titles and eight league tournament titles. The Bearcats appeared in post-season play in each of Huggins' 16 seasons at U.C., advancing to the Elite Eight of the NCAA tournament two times in 1993 and 1996 and, in 1991–92, appearing once in the Final Four."

Dude sucked at Cincy
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Compare those numbers to the mouthbreathers' hero.

I would love to have that level of sucktitude here.
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#529
BigPapaVol said:
remind me about your logic?

Your basic premise is that basketball teams transition at the pace of tectonic plates, when they're more like destroyers. A couple of players and coaching wins. Three players (one a PG) and some will can win titles.
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Lets just take a look at the last several national champions since that's the only way you'll ever be satisfied. 2000 Michigan St. (32-7)
2001 Duke (35-4)
2002 Maryland (32-4)
2003 Syracuse (30-5)
2004 Connecticut (33-6)
2005 North Carolina (33-4)
2006 Florida (33-6)
2007 Florida (35-5)
2008 Kansas (37-3)
2009 North Carolina (34-4)

Where on this list do you see a school with less basketball tradition than UT? There's Florida. Donovan was there for nearly a decade before winning it all there. Perhaps Maryland, and Gary Williams had been there forever, too, before winning it. My point is, Pearl is doing just fine compared to 99.9 percent of the programs out there who have the same kind of tradition as UT basketball
 
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thekicker33 said:
Lets just take a look at the last several national champions since that's the only way you'll ever be satisfied. 2000 Michigan St. (32-7)
2001 Duke (35-4)
2002 Maryland (32-4)
2003 Syracuse (30-5)
2004 Connecticut (33-6)
2005 North Carolina (33-4)
2006 Florida (33-6)
2007 Florida (35-5)
2008 Kansas (37-3)
2009 North Carolina (34-4)

Where on this list do you see a school with less basketball tradition than UT? There's Florida. Donovan was there for nearly a decade before winning it all there. Perhaps Maryland, and Gary Williams had been there forever, too, before winning it. My point is, Pearl is doing just fine compared to 99.9 percent of the programs out there who have the same kind of tradition as UT basketball
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you have no idea what you're talking about. None whatsoever. By the by, every one of these programs started a tradition somewhere. Somebody stepped in and said losing games isn't good enough.
 
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thekicker33 said:
Lets just take a look at the last several national champions since that's the only way you'll ever be satisfied. 2000 Michigan St. (32-7)
2001 Duke (35-4)
2002 Maryland (32-4)
2003 Syracuse (30-5)
2004 Connecticut (33-6)
2005 North Carolina (33-4)
2006 Florida (33-6)
2007 Florida (35-5)
2008 Kansas (37-3)
2009 North Carolina (34-4)

Where on this list do you see a school with less basketball tradition than UT? There's Florida. Donovan was there for nearly a decade before winning it all there. Perhaps Maryland, and Gary Williams had been there forever, too, before winning it. My point is, Pearl is doing just fine compared to 99.9 percent of the programs out there who have the same kind of tradition as UT basketball
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Prior to Calhoun's arrival, UCONN's basketball tradition was on par with Auburn's.
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thekicker33 said:
Lets just take a look at the last several national champions since that's the only way you'll ever be satisfied. 2000 Michigan St. (32-7)
2001 Duke (35-4)
2002 Maryland (32-4)
2003 Syracuse (30-5)
2004 Connecticut (33-6)
2005 North Carolina (33-4)
2006 Florida (33-6)
2007 Florida (35-5)
2008 Kansas (37-3)
2009 North Carolina (34-4)

Where on this list do you see a school with less basketball tradition than UT? There's Florida. Donovan was there for nearly a decade before winning it all there. Perhaps Maryland, and Gary Williams had been there forever, too, before winning it. My point is, Pearl is doing just fine compared to 99.9 percent of the programs out there who have the same kind of tradition as UT basketball
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Who said that we expect a National Championship? Give us the list of Elite Eight teams over the same time period.
 
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emainvol said:
Who said that we expect a National Championship? Give us the list of Elite Eight teams over the same time period.
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That's a lofty standard you're setting. That's reserved for powerhouses like Kent, Davidson, and George Mason.
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BigPapaVol said:
These issues need to be addressed now if this team is going to win.
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And they will and we will win 20+ games, AGAIN. Where we don't see eye to eye IMO is you think he should be able to make a few "adjustments" as you call them and we all of a sudden should be in the Title game. Your expecting waaay too much from our program. I want to win a NT in Bb as bad as u do but you can't say he's failing if we don't. He's doing exactly what should be expected of a winning coach at a mediocre program, 20+, couple big wins, and as far in the tourney as they make it. Just a plus. Rick brooks shouldve won the SEC this year too right?
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#538
I would say that Florida has less bball tradition than Tennessee as they had never made the tourney until 1987 and hadn't won a conference championship until 1989.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's a lofty standard you're setting. That's reserved for powerhouses like Kent, Davidson, and George Mason.
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Those programs are the epitome of elite.
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Orangekush423 said:
And they will and we will win 20+ games, AGAIN. Where we don't see eye to eye IMO is you think he should be able to make a few "adjustments" as you call them and we all of a sudden should be in the Title game. Your expecting waaay too much from our program. I want to win a NT in Bb as bad as u do but you can't say he's failing if we don't. He's doing exactly what should be expected of a winning coach at a mediocre program, 20+, couple big wins, and as far in the tourney as they make it. Just a plus. Rick brooks shouldve won the SEC this year too right?
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what makes you think the issues will be addressed?

Again, rationalizing losing perpetuates it.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
And they will and we will win 20+ games, AGAIN. Where we don't see eye to eye IMO is you think he should be able to make a few "adjustments" as you call them and we all of a sudden should be in the Title game. Your expecting waaay too much from our program. I want to win a NT in Bb as bad as u do but you can't say he's failing if we don't. He's doing exactly what should be expected of a winning coach at a mediocre program, 20+, couple big wins, and as far in the tourney as they make it. Just a plus. Rick brooks shouldve won the SEC this year too right?
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BTW, I haven't said the man is failing or has failed. I'm throwing out there why we haven't won bigger games and why I think we'll struggle to do so again.

For the record, CBP was the right man at the right time for this program. Unfortunately, the fact remains that the architect of the dream isn't always the right man to execute the dream.
 
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volinasheville said:
"Huggins directed Cincinnati to ten conference regular-season titles and eight league tournament titles. The Bearcats appeared in post-season play in each of Huggins' 16 seasons at U.C., advancing to the Elite Eight of the NCAA tournament two times in 1993 and 1996 and, in 1991–92, appearing once in the Final Four."

Dude sucked at Cincy
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Tell the whole story. First off, If pearl in 16 years made "only" two elite eight appearances and one final four appearance, you wouldn't be satisfied. You don't like the guy.
Secondly, 1994-95, 1997-2000, 2002 and 2004-2005 were all second-round exits. That's a total of 8 second-round exits. From 97-2000, there worst seed was a four and yet no sweet 16 appearances. There were also two first-round exits in 1994 and 2003.
I don't think Huggins is a bad coach, either. If he had those numbers in Knoxville, I'd be more than please. But for some reason, you don't like Pearl despite having (at least in recent history) the same kind of resume that Huggins has had! So please get off of Pearl. If he hasn't got past the sweet 16 in five years, then maybe a change needs to be made. For now, he's doing as well as 99.9 percent of the teams in this country!
 
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#548
Orangekush423 said:
And they will and we will win 20+ games, AGAIN. Where we don't see eye to eye IMO is you think he should be able to make a few "adjustments" as you call them and we all of a sudden should be in the Title game. Your expecting waaay too much from our program. I want to win a NT in Bb as bad as u do but you can't say he's failing if we don't. He's doing exactly what should be expected of a winning coach at a mediocre program, 20+, couple big wins, and as far in the tourney as they make it. Just a plus. Rick brooks shouldve won the SEC this year too right?
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As this horse has been beat to death, I don't know why I'm bothering to say this, but here goes.

Why do you refer to your school as a mediocre program? You have good facilities, and your not PAYING YOUR COACH A MEDIOCRE SALARY. If your paying him 50,000 a year with a lunchroom cafeteria to practice in, then its a different conversation.


Do you know where 1 billion 20 win seasons in a row without tourney success gets you?

Nowhere.

I'm not saying the man is a bad coach, he is quite good. But if your looking for great, he has some changes to make.
 
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thekicker33 said:
Tell the whole story. First off, If pearl in 16 years made "only" two elite eight appearances and one final four appearance, you wouldn't be satisfied. You don't like the guy.
Secondly, 1994-95, 1997-2000, 2002 and 2004-2005 were all second-round exits. That's a total of 8 second-round exits. From 97-2000, there worst seed was a four and yet no sweet 16 appearances. There were also two first-round exits in 1994 and 2003.
I don't think Huggins is a bad coach, either. If he had those numbers in Knoxville, I'd be more than please. But for some reason, you don't like Pearl despite having (at least in recent history) the same kind of resume that Huggins has had! So please get off of Pearl. If he hasn't got past the sweet 16 in five years, then maybe a change needs to be made. For now, he's doing as well as 99.9 percent of the teams in this country!
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Comparing Pearl's record to Huggins' is asinine, at best.
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#550
thekicker33 said:
Tell the whole story. First off, If pearl in 16 years made "only" two elite eight appearances and one final four appearance, you wouldn't be satisfied. You don't like the guy.
Secondly, 1994-95, 1997-2000, 2002 and 2004-2005 were all second-round exits. That's a total of 8 second-round exits. From 97-2000, there worst seed was a four and yet no sweet 16 appearances. There were also two first-round exits in 1994 and 2003.
I don't think Huggins is a bad coach, either. If he had those numbers in Knoxville, I'd be more than please. But for some reason, you don't like Pearl despite having (at least in recent history) the same kind of resume that Huggins has had! So please get off of Pearl. If he hasn't got past the sweet 16 in five years, then maybe a change needs to be made. For now, he's doing as well as 99.9 percent of the teams in this country!
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There are roughly 340 D-I teams. If Pearl were, as you claim, performing in the .1 percentile, nobody would be complaining.
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