Wow I am suprised about all the negative posters here.

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It has nothing to do with whether I like the guy, it has to do with believing we could be even better with a some coaching emphasis in the half court game on both ends. If you can't see that I can't help you.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
BTW, I haven't said the man is failing or has failed. I'm throwing out there why we haven't won bigger games and why I think we'll struggle to do so again.

For the record, CBP was the right man at the right time for this program. Unfortunately, the fact remains that the architect of the dream isn't always the right man to execute the dream.
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Agreeable statement. Now we can move on to who is gonna take the TN Job that can maintain the current "buzz" if you will, and EXCEED Bruces records and postseason success?
I'm sincerely curious as to who we could get.
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volinasheville said:
It has nothing to do with whether I like the guy, it has to do with believing we could be even better with a some coaching emphasis in the half court game on both ends. If you can't see that I can't help you.
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now you're just making up stuff that's impossible so that you can beat down our staff.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Agreeable statement. Now we can move on to who is gonna take the TN Job that can maintain the current "buzz" if you will, and EXCEED Bruces records and postseason success?
I'm sincerely curious as to who we could get.
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at $2.4 million and with newly found program support that Bruce ushered in, we'd do fine. Forget the names and let's just get CBP to demand something from our guys or let 'em eat cake.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you have no idea what you're talking about. None whatsoever. By the by, every one of these programs started a tradition somewhere. Somebody stepped in and said losing games isn't good enough.
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I love how I give facts and you just give opinion. And yes, tradition does start somewhere, so again since you want to point out UCONN lets take a look at Jim Calhoun's first couple years at the school.

Prior to the 1986–87 season UConn hired Jim Calhoun to be the program's new head coach, but the Huskies difficulties continued and they finished the season with a record of 9–19, their fifth straight losing season. But in 1988, the team showed significant improvement and gained a berth in the NIT. They finally made the NCAA field in 1990, where you could say their tradition started. The Huskies, HOWEVER, didn't make a final four until 1999 when they won it all.
So juding Pearl's first four years to Calhoun's first four years, Pearl was far and away more successul despite coaching in a time when it's much harder to be successful due to parity across the county
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
As this horse has been beat to death, I don't know why I'm bothering to say this, but here goes.

Why do you refer to your school as a mediocre program? You have good facilities, and your not PAYING YOUR COACH A MEDIOCRE SALARY. If your paying him 50,000 a year with a lunchroom cafeteria to practice in, then its a different conversation.


Do you know where 1 billion 20 win seasons in a row without tourney success gets you?

Nowhere.

I'm not saying the man is a bad coach, he is quite good. But if your looking for great, he has some changes to make.
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So how can you claim that were anything but a Mediocre Bball program? (Other than Bruces accolades obviously)
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thekicker33 said:
Tell the whole story. First off, If pearl in 16 years made "only" two elite eight appearances and one final four appearance, you wouldn't be satisfied.
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How about the esteemed Macarena Games gold medalist actually accomplish those things and see how satisfied people are.
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thekicker33 said:
I love how I give facts and you just give opinion. And yes, tradition does start somewhere, so again since you want to point out UCONN lets take a look at Jim Calhoun's first couple years at the school.

Prior to the 1986–87 season UConn hired Jim Calhoun to be the program's new head coach, but the Huskies difficulties continued and they finished the season with a record of 9–19, their fifth straight losing season. But in 1988, the team showed significant improvement and gained a berth in the NIT. They finally made the NCAA field in 1990, where you could say their tradition started. The Huskies, HOWEVER, didn't make a final four until 1999 when they won it all.
So juding Pearl's first four years to Calhoun's first four years, Pearl was far and away more successul despite coaching in a time when it's much harder to be successful due to parity across the county
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Leave UConn out of it. CBP has no business in a discussion that includes a guy with two titles.

The facts you gave was one listing of the decade's title winners. Thank you for that, as I could have never done it myself. I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about in reference to my expectations from our basketball program. I could deal just fine with sweet 16 exits if we were making any effort to get better positioned to win those type of games or if we were demanding excellence and focus from our players. We're not doing either right now.
 
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volinasheville said:
It has nothing to do with whether I like the guy, it has to do with believing we could be even better with a some coaching emphasis in the half court game on both ends. If you can't see that I can't help you.
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I'm just wondering where that comes from??? I judge based on performance on the court, not whether or not you like the offense. Programs just don't go from below NIT level to elite eight level in several years. It just doesn't happen. Coach K or Coach Calhoun or Coach Donovan wouldn't be doing any better of a job. He pulled in Hopson and Harris over a couple-year span. Eventually, when he pulls in a guy like this every year, like the elite programs do, then and only then can you complain about the guy. UT doesn't equal Duke or UNC in basketball. Just Deal with it!
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Leave UConn out of it. CBP has no business in a discussion that includes a guy with two titles.

The facts you gave was one listing of the decade's title winners. Thank you for that, as I could have never done it myself. I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about in reference to my expectations from our basketball program. I could deal just fine with sweet 16 exits if we were making any effort to get better positioned to win those type of games or if we were demanding excellence and focus from our players. We're not doing either right now.
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It only makes sense to reference UCONN if you're going to compare pre Calhoun Storrs to pre Pearl Knoxville. UT's basketball history, by that measure, dwarfs Connecticut's.
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thekicker33 said:
I'm just wondering where that comes from??? I judge based on performance on the court, not whether or not you like the offense. Programs just don't go from below NIT level to elite eight level in several years. It just doesn't happen. Coach K or Coach Calhoun or Coach Donovan wouldn't be doing any better of a job. He pulled in Hopson and Harris over a couple-year span. Eventually, when he pulls in a guy like this every year, like the elite programs do, then and only then can you complain about the guy. UT doesn't equal Duke or UNC in basketball. Just Deal with it!
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This tells me you have no idea what you're talking about, I am not wasting any more time.
 
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thekicker33 said:
I'm just wondering where that comes from??? I judge based on performance on the court, not whether or not you like the offense. Programs just don't go from below NIT level to elite eight level in several years. It just doesn't happen. Coach K or Coach Calhoun or Coach Donovan wouldn't be doing any better of a job. He pulled in Hopson and Harris over a couple-year span. Eventually, when he pulls in a guy like this every year, like the elite programs do, then and only then can you complain about the guy. UT doesn't equal Duke or UNC in basketball. Just Deal with it!
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Ahh, the "Just Deal With It" argument.
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BigPapaVol said:
Leave UConn out of it. CBP has no business in a discussion that includes a guy with two titles.

The facts you gave was one listing of the decade's title winners. Thank you for that, as I could have never done it myself. I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about in reference to my expectations from our basketball program. I could deal just fine with sweet 16 exits if we were making any effort to get better positioned to win those type of games or if we were demanding excellence and focus from our players. We're not doing either right now.
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When it comes to any coaches first couple years at a program, Calhoun is a very good measuring stick, considering UCONN was about where UT was prior to Pearl's arrivals. So yes, Pearl has done a better job than Calhoun did during his first couple years. Then in the next 10 years, we can compare their body of work during the same time periodd (i.e. the first 10-15 years at a program)
 
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thekicker33 said:
I'm just wondering where that comes from??? I judge based on performance on the court, not whether or not you like the offense. Programs just don't go from below NIT level to elite eight level in several years. It just doesn't happen. Coach K or Coach Calhoun or Coach Donovan wouldn't be doing any better of a job. He pulled in Hopson and Harris over a couple-year span. Eventually, when he pulls in a guy like this every year, like the elite programs do, then and only then can you complain about the guy. UT doesn't equal Duke or UNC in basketball. Just Deal with it!
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Calhoun made the Elite Eight in '90. How many years did it take Huggins to get there at UC? How may years did it take Cal to do it at UMASS, which had the worst winning percentage in D-I in the ten years prior to his arrival? How long did it take Lon Kruger to do it at Florida, where he inherited a team that won less than 10 games the year before he got there?
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All this crap of this program isn't going where it needs to go is opinion!!!!!! Please state some FACTS people. Please compare these facts to the first couple of years to any coach that came into a similar situation as Pearl did. Compare the RECORDS! Compare the SUCCESS. It will be better than most!
 
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hatvol96 said:
Calhoun made the Elite Eight in '90. How many years did it take Huggins to get there at UC? How may years did it take Cal to do it at UMASS, which had the worst winning percentage in D-I in the ten years prior to his arrival? How long did it take Lon Kruger to do it at Florida, where he inherited a team that won less than 10 games the year before he got there?
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OK, please keep going!!!! Cause four examples over an infinite amount of coaching changes doesn't help your case! You're essentially wanting this 1 in a million type thing, that frankly is unreasonable! It's what we call in the scientific world call: Happen, not gonna!
 
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thekicker33 said:
Good God!!! Please prove it. Just stating opinions. I've stated nothing but FACTS
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How many Elite Eights does Pearl have on his resume? Huggins took over a program on probation and had two in his first four seasons. In fact, Huggins has three seasons where he's gone deeper into the tournament than any for Pearl. Also, this is Huggs' third season at West Virginia. He inherited a team that didn't make the NCAA Tournament the year before he got there. Let's see who finsihes better this year.
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BigPapaVol said:
at $2.4 million and with newly found program support that Bruce ushered in, we'd do fine. Forget the names and let's just get CBP to demand something from our guys or let 'em eat cake.
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Most reasonable post yet.That's really all I wanted to hear. Instead of bashing Bruce like hat and his followers do, let's offer contstuctive criticism. Anyone ever think that he might not have the most coachable guys currently or in the past. He seemed to lead and mold CL and JS just fine, not a coincidence they had DB on that team. Tyler and Wayne aren't inclined with the best leadership qualities. He's our freaking coach. I'm not stupid enough to think we should all worship his charted ground, but let's support him and hope we can improve. When he shows that he's clearly not improving, then we make the moves we need to. But holding him to ridiculous expectations just to see he can't meet them-in turn causing you to can him and restart with another 6 yrs of NIT's.- is counterproductive.
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thekicker33 said:
All this crap of this program isn't going where it needs to go is opinion!!!!!! Please state some FACTS people. Please compare these facts to the first couple of years to any coach that came into a similar situation as Pearl did. Compare the RECORDS! Compare the SUCCESS. It will be better than most!
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Fact #1 - SEC Tourney results
Fact #2 - NCAA Tourney results
 
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thekicker33 said:
Good God!!! Please prove it. Just stating opinions. I've stated nothing but FACTS
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Huggins winning percentage in D1 is around .736, Pearl's is around .714. Slight advantage to Huggins. Huggs has about 400 more wins in his D1 career. Huge advantage to Huggs.
 
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