Wow I am suprised about all the negative posters here.

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thekicker33 said:
OK, please keep going!!!! Cause four examples over an infinite amount of coaching changes doesn't help your case! You're essentially wanting this 1 in a million type thing, that frankly is unreasonable! It's what we call in the scientific world call: Happen, not gonna!
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That's just four off the top of my head, if I list every program where someone took over a mess and reached the Elite Eight sometime in their first four or five years, I'll be writing for quite a while. If we scale it back to Pearl's actual accomplishments, a couple of Sweet 16s, it'll take about a week. If you're going to use history as a measure, it pays to actually know said history.
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Orangekush423 said:
Most reasonable post yet.That's really all I wanted to hear. Instead of bashing Bruce like hat and his followers do, let's offer contstuctive criticism. Anyone ever think that he might not have the most coachable guys currently or in the past. He seemed to lead and mold CL and JS just fine, not a coincidence they had DB on that team. Tyler and Wayne aren't inclined with the best leadership qualities. He's our freaking coach. I'm not stupid enough to think we should all worship his charted ground, but let's support him and hope we can improve. When he shows that he's clearly not improving, then we make the moves we need to. But holding him to ridiculous expectations just to see he can't meet them-in turn causing you to can him and restart with another 6 yrs of NIT's.- is counterproductive.
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Yeah, to expect a guy making Final Four money not to get schooled by an imbecile like Travis Ford on college basketball's biggest stage is totally unreasonable.
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And this tells me, you're missing my point all together! Duke wasn't created over night with Coach K. neither was UCONN. neither was Florida. Pearl is about on par with what those coaches accomplised in their first four years. Look it UP! State some FACTS!!!
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Most reasonable post yet.That's really all I wanted to hear. Instead of bashing Bruce like hat and his followers do, let's offer contstuctive criticism. Anyone ever think that he might not have the most coachable guys currently or in the past. He seemed to lead and mold CL and JS just fine, not a coincidence they had DB on that team. Tyler and Wayne aren't inclined with the best leadership qualities. He's our freaking coach. I'm not stupid enough to think we should all worship his charted ground, but let's support him and hope we can improve. When he shows that he's clearly not improving, then we make the moves we need to. But holding him to ridiculous expectations just to see he can't meet them-in turn causing you to can him and restart with another 6 yrs of NIT's.- is counterproductive.
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Who carries responsibility as the team's primary leader?
Who recruited said "uncoachable" players to Tennessee?

(Hint: They're the same person.)
 
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hatvol96 said:
How many Elite Eights does Pearl have on his resume? Huggins took over a program on probation and had two in his first four seasons. In fact, Huggins has three seasons where he's gone deeper into the tournament than any for Pearl. Also, this is Huggs' third season at West Virginia. He inherited a team that didn't make the NCAA Tournament the year before he got there. Let's see who finsihes better this year.
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I agree!! WVU with Huggins and UT with Pearl would be an excellent example. Lets see who does finish better!
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Most reasonable post yet.That's really all I wanted to hear. Instead of bashing Bruce like hat and his followers do, let's offer contstuctive criticism. Anyone ever think that he might not have the most coachable guys currently or in the past. ....
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Whose fault is tha? He does recruit them doesn't he? And if he does not have the ability to recruit "coachable guys" then what makes you think that the situation will ever change?

Forget Hat. Your statement is more damning of Pearl than anything he has said.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's just four off the top of my head, if I list every program where someone took over a mess and reached the Elite Eight sometime in their first four or five years, I'll be writing for quite a while. If we scale it back to Pearl's actual accomplishments, a couple of Sweet 16s, it'll take about a week. If you're going to use history as a measure, it pays to actually know said history.
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yeah, i imagine there are quite a few programs that did have this remarkable turnaround. But they are the exception, not the rule.
 
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thekicker33 said:
And this tells me, you're missing my point all together! Duke wasn't created over night with Coach K. neither was UCONN. neither was Florida. Pearl is about on par with what those coaches accomplised in their first four years. Look it UP! State some FACTS!!!
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Fact: Calhoun was in the Elite Eight in year four, a Christian Laettner buzzer beater away from the Final Four.
Fact: Donovan got Florida to the national finals in year four.

Remind me how deep into the tournament Bruce went in year 4.
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#587
The short bus turned over on the interstate, and somehow all the survivors ended up here in this thread. I'm going to hang some Christmas wreaths.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Fact: Calhoun was in the Elite Eight in year four, a Christian Laettner buzzer beater away from the Final Four.
Fact: Donovan got Florida to the national finals in year four.

Remind me how deep into the tournament Bruce went in year 4.
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again, please keep going! 2 examples don't make an arguement. Pearl, yet again, is very much above par when it comes to his success the first several years at a program like UT. Do I wish Pearl would have had more success?? Yep!!!! I'm just not sure there are many coaches out there who could have done what he's done at UT. Key Words, the University of Tennessee
 
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thekicker33 said:
And this tells me, you're missing my point all together! Duke wasn't created over night with Coach K. [neither was UCONN. neither was Florida. Pearl is about on par with what those coaches accomplised in their first four years. Look it UP! State some FACTS!!!
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Donovan was playing in the NCG in year 4 and Calhoun made the Elite 8 in year 4. And are you predicting that we will be playing in the NCG next year like Coach K. did in year 6.

You saying his accomplishments are on par with these coaches is revisionist history. You want facts. The facts are not working in your favor.
 
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thekicker33 said:
again, please keep going! 2 examples don't make an arguement. Pearl, yet again, is very much above par when it comes to his success the first several years at a program like UT. Do I wish Pearl would have had more success?? Yep!!!! I'm just not sure there are many coaches out there who could have done what he's done at UT. Key Words, the University of Tennessee
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But those are the examples that you chose to support your argument.
 
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VolDad said:
Donovan was playing in the NCG in year 4 and Calhoun made the Elite 8 in year 4. And are you predicting that we will be playing in the NCG next year like Coach K. did in year 6.

You saying his accomplishments are on par with these coaches is revisionist history. You want facts. The facts are not working in your favor.
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Funny, the facts are working in my favor. You just named only THREE examples where a program has outperformed Pearl in his first four years. Lets see, there are what about 316 D-1 programs. Three out of 316 doesn't work in your favor! Again, those programs are exceptions and not the rule. Pearl is doing just fine when compared to the vast majority of the schools in this country!!!
I guess compared to your standards of final fours (just four years after the Peterson era) he isn't doing a good job. I have realistic expectations. You, sir, do NOT!
 
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VolDad said:
But those are the examples that you chose to support your argument.
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Yeah, I was comparing him to Hall of Fame coaches! Tisk, tisk he doesn't measure up. Do you really want me to go through the vast majority of programs who WISH Pearl was there coach??
 
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#595
Does the number of examples provided really make a diffrence in the argument? I mean, 1,2......ect, what's the deal? Are you keeping a running tab here kicker?
 
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thekicker33 said:
Yeah, I was comparing him to Hall of Fame coaches! Tisk, tisk he doesn't measure up. Do you really want me to go through the vast majority of programs who WISH Pearl was there coach??
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By all means, knock yourself out. I cant wait to read this.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's just four off the top of my head, if I list every program where someone took over a mess and reached the Elite Eight sometime in their first four or five years, I'll be writing for quite a while. If we scale it back to Pearl's actual accomplishments, a couple of Sweet 16s, it'll take about a week. If you're going to use history as a measure, it pays to actually know said history.
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Bill Self took Tulsa to the elite eight in his third season, with a 32-5 record, after reaching the NCAA tourney the year before. He followed that up with another elite eight appearance in his first season at Ill, and set up the national runner-up team that lost to UNC in 2005.

Thad Matta led Xavier to the elite eight in his third season, after the team had lost in the second round the previous two seasons. In his third season at Ohio State, his team made it to the national championship game.

Jay Wright led Nova to the elite eight in his fifth season after 2 NIT appearances and a sweet sixteen berth.
 
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thekicker33 said:
Funny, the facts are working in my favor. You just named only THREE examples where a program has outperformed Pearl in his first four years. Lets see, there are what about 316 D-1 programs. Three out of 316 doesn't work in your favor! Again, those programs are exceptions and not the rule. Pearl is doing just fine when compared to the vast majority of the schools in this country!!!
I guess compared to your standards of final fours (just four years after the Peterson era) he isn't doing a good job. I have realistic expectations. You, sir, do NOT!
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Those 3 examples are the ones you chose to support your argument. Then when they didn't, you disavow them.

How old are you. Are we debating with a 12 year old?
 
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