After Hart botches this coaching hire

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keckjm said:
He's a reach for UT IMO. Let him prove his worth then hire him. I just want someone who has proven they can win on a contestant basis. Golden's best record was 9-4 at Temple. I'd say we'd be a 8-4 team consistently under him. Miami has recruited by 247 stats the 29th and currently 67th classes i the nation the past two seasons. I wouldn't say in a state loaded with talent that's great results if I'm Golden. Don't bring up the excuse that Miami has been on probation because it hasn't hurt USC's recruiting. We are out recruiting Miami by a long shot with two losing seasons and a total loser for a coach in Dooley...
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247 and Rivals had his class in the top 10 last year. He is going to close on several big names this year all while the NCAA looms over the program.
 
#77
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keckjm said:
Lets hope this is speculation and not facts because if this info came out with true facts to back it up I'd hate to have Hart's job. Money talks and if you want to win you have to pay coaches or settle for mediocrity like we have the last 3 seasons under Dooley.
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Guy on the radio is Chattanooga Free Times Press beat writer for UT Football is reporting this. There will be plenty of press on this.
 
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Maxxgas said:
I wonder if that means Gruden wanted to pay his brother NFL money to be the OC? If so, maybe it's time to move on to plan B.
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No, but I'd say he wanted 1.5 to 2 mill a year to give to his brother. We still are not talking how much Ron Zook would make and the rest of the coaches they needed. I was fine with paying 10-11 mill a year for all coaches if that's what it took to get Gruden and his chosen staff here, but more then 11 mill a year would be pushing it for any coach.
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
My mistake, the athletic department has halted $6M in academic donations.
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That's better. It was athletic dept money being donated to the University. UT is one of the few SEC schools that was even doing this. :salute:
 
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tvols75 said:
247 and Rivals had his class in the top 10 last year. He is going to close on several big names this year all while the NCAA looms over the program.
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I stand corrected was looking at the wrong thing on my phone :hi:. I do see them holding the 67 class right now though still.
 
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So based on the assumption that a hire made after an extension and ostensibly with the blessing of big donors and people who care so much about UT football that they put 10's of thousands of their own $$$ into it.... will be a "botched" hire... you guys want those responsible fired, right? You don't want to see if it is a good or even great hire. You just want someone fired because your expectation (whatever it was) based on no intimate knowledge of the candidates, qualifications, or process whatsoever was not met.

Many in this fanbase need to be posting on a Mensa site instead.... or better yet you should forward your resume to replace Cheek and/or Hart.
 
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sjt18 said:
So based on the assumption that a hire made after an extension and ostensibly with the blessing of big donors and people who care so much about UT football that they put 10's of thousands of their own $$$ into it.... will be a "botched" hire... you guys want those responsible fired, right? You don't want to see if it is a good or even great hire. You just want someone fired because your expectation (whatever it was) based on no intimate knowledge of the candidates, qualifications, or process whatsoever was not met.

Many in this fanbase need to be posting on a Mensa site instead.... or better yet you should forward your resume to replace Cheek and/or Hart.
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Gruden would be a home run hire. If Hart screws it up, he should be fired. Deal was almost done yesterday, now it looks as though it might not happen.
 
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MDVols said:
Hart doesn't want Gruden he's done all but said it. He's going after Jimbo Fisher so get ready cause that's who's up next. Oh yeah most of the boosters hate DH by the way.
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I am hearing the same thing. It really sounds like egos are being put first. If Hart tries to parade out a Kirby Smart or Al Golden things might get very messy. Just telling what I am hearing from boosters and some of these are putting big money into the university.
 
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1985Vols said:
That's better. It was athletic dept money being donated to the University. UT is one of the few SEC schools that was even doing this. :salute:
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Maybe, but that's still a pretty big deal. If they make the right hire, they will make the money back big. But if not, then there goes 6 million in academic funds. It's a pretty big gamble, and I find it a little sad that football is so important that they are doing this. But that's just me. Either way, I hope it all works out and they make the right hire, start winning and generate enough revenue to donate $12M in a couple years.
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1985Vols said:
Gruden would be a home run hire. If Hart screws it up, he should be fired. Deal was almost done yesterday, now it looks as though it might not happen.
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I'm not jumping on the bandwagon that Gruden was almost hired etc but the interest was there clearly. Now, if money was the problem then it'll be a shame because I know there are plenty of donors willing to supply the money to get Gruden. If power was an issue then I respect Hart for not allowing someone to walk on his toes. Only Hart knows this and it'll leak soon enough to the press.
 
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Double D said:
At this point, it doesnt matter who he hires. If its anyone other than Gruden, people will want him fired. The publicity this thing has received is embarrassing. He has put himself in a no win situation.
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The Gruden or nothing fans are acting like children--and they probably are, at least in intelligence. Gruden simply never did want to coach ANY college team and leave his cushy job. The sleazy John Adams is making fun of Vol fans on WMNL by sarcastically touting Gruden.

I would have liked to have Gruden as a coach, but we have to move on. Unfortunately, the options don't seem to be very promising. Get ready for that "up and coming" mid major hot shot unless Hart can pull a miracle.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
The Gruden or nothing fans are acting like children--and they probably are, at least in intelligence. Gruden simply never did want to coach ANY college team and leave his cushy job. The sleazy John Adams is making fun of Vol fans on WMNL by sarcastically touting Gruden.

I would have liked to have Gruden as a coach, but we have to move on. Unfortunately, the options don't seem to be very promising. Get ready for that "up and coming" mid major hot shot unless Hart can pull a miracle.
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Jimbo Fisher would be a solid hire IMO. So, would Charlie Strong or Larry Fedora. It's the Al Goldens and such that worry me. Taking a mid-major coach who has only coached in a big BCS conference for a few years and has lacked a record of at least 10 wins worries me as a fan. Jimbo Fisher has at least proven himself a consistent winner at FSU.
 
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1985Vols said:
Gruden would be a home run hire. If Hart screws it up, he should be fired. Deal was almost done yesterday, now it looks as though it might not happen.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about other than hearsay from a so-called reliable source.
 
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1985Vols said:
Gruden would be a home run hire. If Hart screws it up, he should be fired.
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How do you know? Pete Carroll worked out at USC. Charlie Weis flopped at ND. Mike Sherman had a higher winning percentage than Gruden in the NFL... and was terrible at Texas A&M. Kiffin has hardly torn it up as a CFB HC.

The point is that as excited as I am sure everyone would be if Gruden were announced as the next HC... the odds are actually against him being a 'home run" hire.

Deal was almost done yesterday, now it looks as though it might not happen.
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But why do you assume that it is Hart's fault. There IS an amount of money that is simply too much. If Gruden has to pay huge amounts for a staff then perhaps he needs to take less.

Hart isn't spending his own money. If a donor steps up and says "I've got it covered" and Hart says "No".... then you have a point.... maybe.

But assuming Hyams knows something... which is very risky to start with... the problem seems to be $$$. If the money isn't there then that really isn't Hart's fault.
 
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I've been to alot of Booster meatings and while the few million doallar donors did't say a word I don't think the room was full of hate for DH




MDVols said:
Hart doesn't want Gruden he's done all but said it. He's going after Jimbo Fisher so get ready cause that's who's up next. Oh yeah most of the boosters hate DH by the way.
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BandVOL said:
I've been to alot of Booster meatings and while the few million doallar donors did't say a word I don't think the room was full of hate for DH
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If there is any hate it is because Hart won't be the puppet of those with the money. And I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. People on here hate Hamilton for being that, and now they want Hart to be that. Makes no sense.
 
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OCVol82 said:
if he hires Golden...I want him fired...and that isnt a bad idea at all...thumbs up for OP...
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Agree on Golden. Absolutely don't agree on bringing CPF on as AD. Just because he was a hall of fame level coach for us does not infer the capacity to run an entire Athletic Department successfully. There is so much more to that job that he has no experience with whatsoever. I love Fulmer as well, but if Hart is booted over this fiasco of a HC search, we should only be looking at experienced candidates with quality trackrecords of prior success in multiple facets of the position's responsibilities.
 
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keckjm said:
Jimbo Fisher would be a solid hire IMO. So, would Charlie Strong or Larry Fedora. It's the Al Goldens and such that worry me. Taking a mid-major coach who has only coached in a big BCS conference for a few years and has lacked a record of at least 10 wins worries me as a fan. Jimbo Fisher has at least proven himself a consistent winner at FSU.
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Winning 9 games at Temple is as impressive as winning 10+ elsewhere.

Give me the choice of guys other than Gruden that are being discussed... I'd look at Roman and Fisher first. Mullen, Fedora, and a few others would occupy the next tier along with Golden and Strong. Unquestionably there seems to be more risk after just a handful of names at the top. The problem is that Fisher in particular is in a job he apparently likes so UT would have to outbid FSU by a somewhat significant margin.

I don't see Golden being a more risky hire than Strong. Over the last 4 years while coaching at Temple and a Miami program on probation he is 30-19 (61%). Strong at L'ville is 24-14 (63%) and was 14-12 coming into this year.
 
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I actually think Fulmer would make a good AD if not for the remaining bitterness on all sides over his firing and buyout. If he had retired as he should have... he probably would be the AD right now.
 
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