Bashing needs to stop

[LA Vol]

Telling others what to do, what not to do and how not to do it needs to stop, too. People are entitled to their opinions and are free to express them on a public forum designated for that very purpose.

 

[MFL]

i predicted a 42-7 blowout but got to move on. CBJ may have some tough decisions to make on the offensive side of the ball. Like hiring a new OC.

 

[deaconkane]

good post.:good!:

He hasn't all year, and he won't. Like you I wish he would.

 

[SayNoToJorts]

Telling others what to do, what not to do and how not to do it needs to stop, too. People are entitled to their opinions and are free to express them on a public forum designated for that very purpose.

My post is entirely my opinion which I am entitled to as you are stating. You are entitled to disagree

 

[LA Vol]

My post is entirely my opinion which I am entitled to as you are stating. You are entitled to disagree

Yes, I am. But I did not feel the need to start a thread about it.

 

[SayNoToJorts]

Yes, I am. But I did not feel the need to start a thread about it.

Its a controversial topic that seems to be producing some good back and forth discussion. It's my first thread so I'm pretty happy with it

 

[BrianJ98]

1st year at Cincinnati- 4-8
2nd year at Cincinnati- 10-3

Give the man some time and take a deep breath. Programs that are in the hole as much as we are take time to get back on their feet. By year 3 all you negavols will be praising Butch.

 

[DD4ME]

I agree with you man. The way some the fans are acting I wish Butch would move on to a fan base that would appreciate him and his staffs efforts. Neither him, player , or other coaches deserve this bashing. Honestly if we can't be patient we don't deserve a bowl game.

Anyway lets enjoy the Kentucky game and move on basketball is here.

I was at the game with at least 90K other fans and for an SEC game it was cold. Seriously what the hell else are fans supposed to do? Sugar coating a loss to Vandy at home, following a bye week, and with bowl hopes on the line is total crap.
This team and in part the coaches choked on the back half of this schedule. Not just in wins and losses either but in effort and planning. A loss to KY isn't really out of the realm of possibilities either.

 

[volfanjustin]

I agree with you man. The way some the fans are acting I wish Butch would move on to a fan base that would appreciate him and his staffs efforts. Neither him, player , or other coaches deserve this bashing. Honestly if we can't be patient we don't deserve a bowl game.

Anyway lets enjoy the Kentucky game and move on basketball is here.

Enjoy the UK game? A game that is matching up the #12 team in the SEC vs the #14 team in the SEC. Sounds more like cruel and unusual punishment

 

[MedicT]

I was at the game with at least 90K other fans and for an SEC game it was cold. Seriously what the hell else are fans supposed to do? Sugar coating a loss to Vandy at home, following a bye week, and with bowl hopes on the line is total crap.
This team and in part the coaches choked on the back half of this schedule. Not just in wins and losses either but in effort and planning. A loss to KY isn't really out of the realm of possibilities either.

Perhaps take a realistic view of the program Coach Jones acquired and realize how far we have to progress to play competitive SEC football.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Perhaps take a realistic view of the program Coach Jones acquired and realize how far we have to progress to play competitive SEC football.

Perhaps the view that this past Saturday's performance was below reasonable expectations and that it was a sub-par effort on the part of the coaches IS, in fact, realistic?

Why is it not reasonable to ask for some sort of an account for that performance? Was that not a poor performance even by the standard of the team's play THIS year? If so and in light of the significance of a win, it is not conceivable that the coaches bear some responsibility?

After three months of "continuous improvement" and "working to get better", the team played the very worst game they have played all year at the time a win was invaluable and against a team that a win was achievable.

The coaches get a free pass?

 

[MedicT]

Perhaps the view that this past Saturday's performance was below reasonable expectations and that it was a sub-par effort on the part of the coaches IS, in fact, realistic?

Why is it not reasonable to ask for some sort of an account for that performance? Was that not a poor performance even by the standard of the team's play THIS year? If so and in light of the significance of a win, it is not conceivable that the coaches bare some responsibility?

Ok, so rekindle the dumpster fire. Get rid of Jones and company. Who are you going to hire? Gruden?lol:
How did Watson Brown do this year?

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Ok, so rekindle the dumpster fire. Get rid of Jones and company. Who are you going to hire? Gruden?lol:
How did Watson Brown do this year?

It's too soon to even suggest that. Further, the financial position the University has put itself in with previous dismissals makes it prohibitive. CBJ is our guy for the next few years at least.

I don't want that to happen anyway. I honestly want CBJ to succeed and believe it possible that he may. It's just am the least confident of it I have been since his hiring.

 

[Wylo]

We "stole" the coach Colorado wanted. Let that sink in.

We used to compete with USC for coaches. Now we pillow fight Colorado for the one they want.

This has been self inflicted dumpster fire after dumpster fire.

 

[Wylo]

Perhaps the view that this past Saturday's performance was below reasonable expectations and that it was a sub-par effort on the part of the coaches IS, in fact, realistic?

Why is it not reasonable to ask for some sort of an account for that performance? Was that not a poor performance even by the standard of the team's play THIS year? If so and in light of the significance of a win, it is not conceivable that the coaches bear some responsibility?

After three months of "continuous improvement" and "working to get better", the team played the very worst game they have played all year at the time a win was invaluable and against a team that a win was achievable.

The coaches get a free pass?

Man, this is an excellent post. Way too many actual facts to go over well with the excuse crew.

 

[sjt18]

But, Saturday's game SERIOUSLY damaged my confidence in the staff. If you look at the circumstances and are willing to simply dismiss that loss to whatever inability you see in the players, you aren't being fair to them or yourself as a fan.

Vandy showed up as a well-coached but marginally talented team - in our house -and then proceeded to make every mistake a team needs to make to lose a football game. For the other loses this year, the other team took the victory from us (except maybe Fla to some degree) but in this game, it was willingly given to them by us.

The warning signs were to be found in the previous 3 games.

Without regard to what the coaches stated afterward, the team was flat, tentative and displayed a general sense of unpreparedness. It is absolutely reasonable to attribute that to the coaching staff. Remember that the season is three months in, a lot of the "newness" of things ought to have sunk in by now.

I believe that at least part of that was the gameplan that Jones used and probably presented to the team. It effectively told them "you aren't as good as Vandy so we are going to try to manage the game and field position for a win". He played not to lose... I know of few things that douse player enthusiasm more than that.

The most disheartening thing of all for me is that after yet another season, I have no more confidence that the program is returning to some level of excellence. I am optimistic by nature, but confidence comes from evidence. This season, the evidence has fallen on both sides of the scale fairly equally.

That's where I have been since around Mizzou game... but I would say the evidence after Vandy tilts against "positive".

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Perhaps the view that this past Saturday's performance was below reasonable expectations and that it was a sub-par effort on the part of the coaches IS, in fact, realistic?

Why is it not reasonable to ask for some sort of an account for that performance? Was that not a poor performance even by the standard of the team's play THIS year? If so and in light of the significance of a win, it is not conceivable that the coaches bear some responsibility?

After three months of "continuous improvement" and "working to get better", the team played the very worst game they have played all year at the time a win was invaluable and against a team that a win was achievable.

The coaches get a free pass?

Internet posters discussing the Vols have been playing the "true fan" card against anyone expecting accountability of the coaching staff dating back to at least Fulmer.

It's a worn out and cliched tactic.

I personally think it's fair to question and discuss why Jones and company on why he didn't meet HIS stated expectation of making a bowl game this season.

I think anyone willing to question the direction of the program is as much a true fan as anyone who puts on the orange tinted glasses and blindly swallows anything the coaches put in front of them.

Why this team regressed over the course of the season is open for debate. The fact that they regressed is not IMO.

The same team that showed up last Saturday with a bowl on the line was not the same team that pulled the upset against SC and it goes well beyond the QB.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

We "stole" the coach Colorado wanted. Let that sink in.

We used to compete with USC for coaches. Now we pillow fight Colorado for the one they want.

This has been self inflicted dumpster fire after dumpster fire.

No.

This is the best staff in the country. Butch told us so. So it has to be true.

 

[AllforTenn]

At best team never got any better, at worst team got worse and I believe the second is closer to the truth.

Also, competition got better, including Vandy.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Perhaps take a realistic view of the program Coach Jones acquired and realize how far we have to progress to play competitive SEC football.

Your seriously wasting your time. There are no and I mean no excuses that can be used as reasons for this team to have lost to Vandy. None. Zero!

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Ok, so rekindle the dumpster fire. Get rid of Jones and company. Who are you going to hire? Gruden?lol:
How did Watson Brown do this year?

See, this is your problem. You go to extremes with your replys. Instead of admitting that the poster has a valid point or at least trying to counterpoint with something intelligent you go to the ridiculous.

 

[AllforTenn]

I wont miss 'em at all, they failed to knock candy off the ball on a very critical 3rd and short, setting up candy's winning touchdown drive. I wish them luck but some of 'em may get surprised on draft day. :sad:

I've never been impressed with the O line. They have never learned to knock the opponent off the line of scrimmage. Vandy's line out performed them. Vandy's QB and receivers were better than ours and their linemen were just as good or better.

 

[MedicT]

See, your problem is, I have no problem. Well that and a lack of understanding that Vandy had the better team Saturday night. You can coach a kid all you want on how he is supposed to react in a given situation but when it comes time to make it happen it is all up to him. We as a University and a fanbase let the team down for their entire collegiate careers with substandard coaching and yet we expect Coach Jones to make up for it in ONE season. The entire premise that we SHOULD have beaten Vandy Sat. night is bordering on ridiculous. Vandy whether we can admit it or not is a good football team and UT is not. If your freshman QB is scared to stand in the pocket, your receivers can't catch the ball if he throws it, your "experienced" O Line gets whipped, your "experienced" leader on the D spins the ball costing you 15 yards, you miss a chip shot FG, on and on and on........

The overused phrase "winning culture" is all important and we have lost it. The intangible "winning culture" takes years to develop. Hell, right now the fans can't even get behind the team because many are still acting like a bunch of spoiled kids who want it NOW! It "just don't" work that way.

 

[tm3]

We "stole" the coach Colorado wanted. Let that sink in.

We used to compete with USC for coaches. Now we pillow fight Colorado for the one they want.

This has been self inflicted dumpster fire after dumpster fire.

I wish that it had been a steal, instead it was $3.1mil compared to the what, $900k that CO was offering?

That salary plus the UT facilities plus the largest recruiting budget in all of college football ...... CBJ would have been a fool to turn it down yet the masses chant that he is here because he "loves UT."

 

[uvavol]

Did some of us really think that we were going to blow out Vandy? Did all of the neganerds that like to "keep it real" actually have higher expectations for a team with our current talent level when they have been saying we were a 5-7 team this entire time? How about we don't jump ship on our first year coach who already beat a #11 team this year, almost upset a #6 ranked team, and has coached through pretty much the hardest schedule I have ever seen. I am not saying that Butch is definitely the answer, but I am saying that some of the back seat athletic directors need to give the man some time to build our program. How easy it is for people to forget that Saban once lost to UL Monroe

They didn't forget because they had no idea that even happened....pabst blue ribbon put them to bed shortly after kissing the dog and kicking the wife out of bed