Big10 Rumor: adding 4 including Clemson and FSU

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VOLnMiami said:
With the money they would make?!?...You bet your sweet begonias they would!...Regardless of fan support Miami is a national brand and they draw crowds wherever they play...Except of course at home lol...They wold draw a lot more fans joining the SEC because there are a lot of SEC fans that live down here.
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Miami back in the day had more phones than the rest of the South including Kentucky minus New Orleans combined. It's almost like a state unto itself, just not enough geography.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
BUT ESPN can make it worth it for the ACC to let them go by renegotiating their contract so it’s in everyone’s best interest.

All of this is about the love of money.
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I'm still not following. Why would ESPN renegotiate a BETTER contract with a WEAKER conference, if schools are leaving the ACC?

ESPN is just going to give money to the ACC? ESPN doesn't get extra money if a school jumps to the SEC. The SEC contract is already set.

I don't see a dang reason why ESPN would just give the ACC the $120M or so they'd get from a school until 2036 that jumps. That's what I'm missing.

(Edited a more realistic amount a school would owe from 300M to 120M. Still a helluva lot of money.)
 
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Snakebrown13 said:
Actually, FSU has lobbied behind the scenes for years to join the SEC. Their TV market brings nothing to the table that the SEC doesn't already have. Adding UNC (Charolette metro) and VT (big in the DC market) are worth more to the conference and don't upset the balance...
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I always heard that Bobby Bowden never wanted any part of the SEC meat grinder. Maybe they’ve lobbied for it since Bowden has been gone.
 
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This seems like more posturing from FSU & Clemson to get a better contract. They know they own the TV viewership (minus ND) in conference. FSU/Clemson on par with the next 7 most watched ACC teams combined (excluding ND who has NBC exclusive rights, which is double the annual ACC bonus). If ACC doesn't further incentivize the upcoming post-season / playoff bonus then FSU/Clemson will jump at the best offer.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Florida would STFU and like it. Sort of like A&M did. And for the record I have no love for FSU.
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I don’t know that I disagree with FSU coming in eventually. But, I assure you they won’t STFU like A&M. A&M has quite a bit of money but no national championships in the last 50 years. Florida has more national championships, heisman trophies, and clout across their athletic department than A&M will in the next 100 years. I’m not a supporter but facts are facts, alliances within the conference are alliances. A&M had no protection from old SWC schools entering the conference. You have at least six schools that would back UF on no FSU.
 
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If Clemson and FSU join the big 10 the only teams I would want from the ACC are Virginia Tech and UNC. I like Pitt as a program but that would kinda go against the whole southeastern conference thing. It's going to be a wild next few years until this all shakes out.
 
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memvol said:
I don’t know that I disagree with FSU coming in eventually. But, I assure you they won’t STFU like A&M. A&M has quite a bit of money but no national championships in the last 50 years. Florida has more national championships, heisman trophies, and clout across their athletic department than A&M will in the next 100 years. I’m not a supporter but facts are facts, alliances within the conference are alliances. A&M had no protection from old SWC schools entering the conference. You have at least six schools that would back UF on no FSU.
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If Jeremy Foley were still the AD at Florida i doubt Sankey would be as confident. Foley was a power player AD. People would listen when he would talk. I think if Sankey says FSU, Clemson, Louisville or any other potential ACC school that adds value to every school wants in, they’re getting in.
 
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Let FSU & Clemson go to the B1G. In the scenario the Big Ten adds those 2 plus Oregon & Washington, the SEC needs to go all-in on North Carolina, Virginia, and then…Duke & Kansas. Instantly we are the premier league in both football AND basketball, while also improving academics. This brings new teams with existing rivalries (revives the Mizzou-Kansas “Border War, too), while also creating some new ones—UNC vs Tennessee, UNC vs USC, UVA vs UK, UVA vs Vandy, etc.

While basketball is second to football, a conference with:
Kentucky
North Carolina
Duke
Kansas
Alabama
Arkansas
and Tennessee
would make for some big money with the roundball.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I wonder how the analysis justified the travel expenses for the non revenue positive sports. Tennis from Penn State to UCLA should be interesting..... Track and Field???? Volleyball???
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Lol I didn’t think about that one
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It occurs that if the B1G and SEC and B12 <cough>colluded<cough> all had interest from several ACC teams, the conference might fail to have enough members to enforce the Grant of Rights.

I believe the B12 is already getting UCF, just an anaconda length or two from Miami. They might look at Louisville, as Cinci is already coming, I think.

If the B1G can grab 3 or 4 and the SEC can grab 4, things start to look like the ACC folds.

Not that I'd suggest that conferences would conspire, you know, just if interest developed among several teams at once. 👼
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what do you think about WF? They have been coming in strong in Men’s fb and baseball. I think they have had some decent teams in basketball too.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
what do you think about WF? They have been coming in strong in Men’s fb and baseball. I think they have had some decent teams in basketball too.
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I like Wake Forest as a school but they bring nothing in the way of eyeballs to the conference.

I think it's almoat a given the SEC eventually takes UNC and probably NC State as a package. With them, what would the SEC need WF for? Duke and WF are first class schools but they're not the schools from that area that draw a really big TV audience.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I like Wake Forest as a school but they bring nothing in the way of eyeballs to the conference.

I think it's almoat a given the SEC eventually takes UNC and probably NC State as a package. With them, what would the SEC need WF for? Duke and WF are first class schools but they're not the schools from that area that draw a really big TV audience.
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NC I can see, but State on top adds nothing. NC and VT complete the map and bring in a lot of Market.... Trade Vandy in for one of them.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
what do you think about WF? They have been coming in strong in Men’s fb and baseball. I think they have had some decent teams in basketball too.
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Wake is the smallest P5 school and they are probably the 6th most popular school in North Carolina. Not many people like Wake, but not many people really dislike them either. Mark Packer always refers to them as the Swiss because they’re pretty much neutral.
 
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OrangeEtBlanc said:
Let FSU & Clemson go to the B1G. In the scenario the Big Ten adds those 2 plus Oregon & Washington, the SEC needs to go all-in on North Carolina, Virginia, and then…Duke & Kansas. Instantly we are the premier league in both football AND basketball, while also improving academics. This brings new teams with existing rivalries (revives the Mizzou-Kansas “Border War, too), while also creating some new ones—UNC vs Tennessee, UNC vs USC, UVA vs UK, UVA vs Vandy, etc.

While basketball is second to football, a conference with:
Kentucky
North Carolina
Duke
Kansas
Alabama
Arkansas
and Tennessee
would make for some big money with the roundball.
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UNC would be the obvious choice and they would probably have to bring Duke along. I would go with Virginia Tech over UVA. And then we have the fourth spot open. I think Pitt, Oklahoma St, and Kansas should be considered.

SEC could use some basketball powers even if they are just average or slightly below average in football. The only bad football team in the SEC in Vandy.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
NC I can see, but State on top adds nothing. NC and VT complete the map and bring in a lot of Market.... Trade Vandy in for one of them.
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We're not losing Vandy unless they choose to leave. Charter membership has privileges, even in these "all about the money" days.

I don't want NC State but the rivalry is too intense. It's like Ole Miss and MS State.

I'd missed VT, thanks. Good call.

I tell you what, let's trade Missouri for NC State, since we're just "off seasoning" here.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
We're not losing Vandy unless they choose to leave. Charter membership has privileges, even in these "all about the money" days.

I don't want NC State but the rivalry is too intense. It's like Ole Miss and MS State.

I'd missed VT, thanks. Good call.

I tell you what, let's trade Missouri for NC State, since we're just "off seasoning" here.
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So they could play as an out of conference game during the year.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I like Wake Forest as a school but they bring nothing in the way of eyeballs to the conference.

I think it's almoat a given the SEC eventually takes UNC and probably NC State as a package. With them, what would the SEC need WF for? Duke and WF are first class schools but they're not the schools from that area that draw a really big TV audience.
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The North Carolina state General Assembly will not allow the four schools to be split up. UNC, NC State, Duke, and Wake are married for life.

At least, that's how it was all the years I was in the Army: repeated tours at Fort Bragg, and a final 3-year hitch in Wilmington. All together, almost half my career was in the Tar Heel state. I got to know their local and state politics pretty well.

So it's been 15 years since I hung up my spurs. Quite possible things might've changed. Then again, in politics, things tend to change at a glacial pace, if at all.

I'd bet there's still no separating those four schools. Not without a huge legal/policy/political fight.

Go Vols!
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
We're not losing Vandy unless they choose to leave. Charter membership has privileges, even in these "all about the money" days.

I don't want NC State but the rivalry is too intense. It's like Ole Miss and MS State.

I'd missed VT, thanks. Good call.

I tell you what, let's trade Missouri for NC State, since we're just "off seasoning" here.
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Hell, let's trade Missouri for a half eaten bag of store brand Doritos.

There's one invite I'm sure the SEC offices would love to have back
 
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