Breaking news: LSU to face Alabama in National Championship Game

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UGADawg4Life said:
They got it right, IMHO. Bama's only loss, by 3, was to LSU. OK St. got beat by a 6-6 Iowa St. team. I know they may have had some understandable emotions in that game, but you have to use that as a positive and play for the victims. LSU and Bama are the two best teams in college football. And as much as we all don't want to see a rematch as the NC game, it's the right thing to do, again, IMHO. :hi:
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That bammer is one of the 2 best teams is subjective. OkSU destroyed OK in their conference title game. Should be LSU OkSU. LSU won a Nat;l title with 2 regular season losses for gods sake. The BCS loses credibility every year.
 
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3L with debt said:
How does number 1 get screwed? Is it because everyone knows that Bama will probably win that game... If that is the consensus, then bama deserves to be in the game. If not, how does the number 1 team get screwed?
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If this is the NC game then LSU's win in the regular season is negated. They get screwed because they have already beaten their opponent. They won their conf division and their conf title. They have done everything possible to get in the game and get a rematch of a game they had to win to get there. Meanwhile the #2 team sat at home, lost their chance at #1, didn't win their conf or even their division yet get rewarded with a rematch.

oklavol said:
So you don't think the two best teams in division 1 should get to play for the the NC because they are in the same conference. Even though you admit UA is better then OSU.
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it's really hard to claim the second best team in CFB couldn't win their 6-team conf division. LSU won and should have knocked out bama. I also never admitted bama was better than OSU. Based on the schedule I would say they are about equal with OSU getting the nod for winning their BCS conf
 
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If you can't win your conference then you have no reason what so ever to be in the BCS championship game. It's sad that the Bama sheep will not admit this. They can rename this bowl the Split National Championship Bowl if Bama should somehow be able to kick four field goals and win. There cannot be a true champion this year unless LSU wins. They will be 1-1 facing each other which is a split championship. Nice work once again by the BCS.
 
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#279
People are placing too much emphasis on conference championships. Conferences have different strengths.
 
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Volhoops said:
If you can't win your conference then you have no reason what so ever to be in the BCS championship game. It's sad that the Bama sheep will not admit this. They can rename this bowl the Split National Championship Bowl if Bama should somehow be able to kick four field goals and win. There cannot be a true champion this year unless LSU wins. They will be 1-1 facing each other which is a split championship. Nice work once again by the BCS.
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So it's ok to lose to iowa state but not ok to lose to bama?
 
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utvolpj said:
If this is the NC game then LSU's win in the regular season is negated. They get screwed because they have already beaten their opponent. They won their conf division and their conf title. They have done everything possible to get in the game and get a rematch of a game they had to win to get there. Meanwhile the #2 team sat at home, lost their chance at #1, didn't win their conf or even their division yet get rewarded with a rematch.



it's really hard to claim the second best team in CFB couldn't win their 6-team conf division. LSU won and should have knocked out bama. I also never admitted bama was better than OSU. Based on the schedule I would say they are about equal with OSU getting the nod for winning their BCS conf
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I agree with this, but it's just one of those crazy years where the best two teams happen to play in the same conference. It's not fair to LSU, but it would have been equally unfair to Alabama to deny them the spot simply on the grounds that they are in the same conference as LSU. To categorically state, as some have done, that the two best teams in the country CANNOT EVER play in the same conference is foolish. The purpose of the BCS is to match the top 2 teams in the nation against one another in the NCG, and that's exactly what it did this year.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I agree with this, but it's just one of those crazy years where the best two teams happen to play in the same conference. It's not fair to LSU, but it would have been equally unfair to Alabama to deny them the spot simply on the grounds that they are in the same conference as LSU. To categorically state, as some have done, that the two best teams in the country CANNOT EVER play in the same conference is foolish. The purpose of the BCS is to match the top 2 teams in the nation against one another in the NCG, and that's exactly what it did this year.
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equally unfair? Only one team did everything it could to get there. If LSU were to lose is bama the true, undisputed NC?

A few years ago we were very close to getting a rematch similar to this. Of course it was very evident after the NC game that it would have been a disaster and proved nothing. Same is happening this year. The game's been played, move on
 
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utvolpj said:
equally unfair? Only one team did everything it could to get there. If LSU were to lose is bama the true, undisputed NC?

A few years ago we were very close to getting a rematch similar to this. Of course it was very evident after the NC game that it would have been a disaster and proved nothing. Same is happening this year. The game's been played, move on
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Again, this is true. LSU deserves at least a share of, if not the entire NC before the game is even played.

That being said, Alabama is still the second best team in the nation. Oklahoma St. had ample opportunity to earn their spot against LSU and choked it away by losing to Iowa St. Alabama has taken care of their business by beating every team they should have beaten this season. The only team who has beaten them is one that every poll in America agrees is superior to them. Why should they be punished for losing to a superior team? OK St. on the other hand has not taken care of their business this year, yet you feel should be allowed to play for a NC in spite of losing to a TERRIBLE team?
 
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they won their conf. If that is not important then the BCS needs to award bowl games prior to the extra game.
 
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utvolpj said:
they won their conf. If that is not important then the BCS needs to award bowl games prior to the extra game.
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Winning your conference is not a prerequisite for playing for a NC. If it was I would have no complaint about Alabama being left out. But, unlike several people on this board, it seems the people who concocted the BCS acknowledge that it is possible for the two best teams in the nation to play in the same conference, and made it possible for them to meet in the NC. Within the framework of this year's rules, Alabama is "most deserving" of the second spot in the NCG.

I still agree with you that no team this season is really "deserving" of facing LSU, and that the Tigers and getting screwed in this whole deal. They've already shown they are the best team in the nation and it seems pointless to ask them to prove it again.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Winning your conference is not a prerequisite for playing for a NC.
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sort of agree. Winning your conf is not required but not losing is a requirement. The extra game does have the possibility of screwing up an otherwise great season and NC berth (see UT- 2001). Not having to play that game could be seen as an advantage. And yes I realize OSU didn't have to but they won outright which I would say is better
 
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utvolpj said:
sort of agree. Winning your conf is not required but not losing is a requirement. The extra game does have the possibility of screwing up an otherwise great season and NC berth (see UT- 2001). Not having to play that game could be seen as an advantage. And yes I realize OSU didn't have to but they won outright which I would say is better
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I guess, but the way I see it is that Alabama's resume doesn't have any "deductions" if you will. They beat every team they should have and lost to the best team in the nation. It's not their fault they happen to play in the same division and conference as that team.

OK St's resume on the other hand has a massive deduction with that loss to Iowa St. IMO no team that is bad enough on a given day to lose to a bottom feeder like ISU has any business playing for a NC.
 
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should bama be the champs, even though LSU has played a much tougher schedule and already beat bama in alabama.

it would basically be a tied and would there be a good argument that LSU should still be the champs?
 
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The problem is everyone has flipped as far as who should be in the BCS game. In prior years, Boise St. and others were left out of the discussion due to their schedule. Now you have Ok. State, who in my opinion has had a very difficult schedule lose out. The media has done a complete flip, they better remember this next year when you have a Houston or Boise with zero loses.

If it's about the two best teams than I think it should be LSU v. Bama, if it's about body of work and schedule I would say OSU. Either way they need to pick a position and stick with it.

Of course, I think all of this is a big racketeering scheme.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The problem is everyone has flipped as far as who should be in the BCS game. In prior years, Boise St. and others were left out of the discussion due to their schedule. Now you have Ok. State, who in my opinion has had a very difficult schedule lose out. The media has done a complete flip, they better remember this next year when you have a Houston or Boise with zero loses.

If it's about the two best teams than I think it should be LSU v. Bama, if it's about body of work and schedule I would say OSU. Either way they need to pick a position and stick with it.

Of course, I think all of this is a big racketeering scheme.
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the money spent on this game will be in the tens of billions.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Winning your conference is not a prerequisite for playing for a NC. If it was I would have no complaint about Alabama being left out. But, unlike several people on this board, it seems the people who concocted the BCS acknowledge that it is possible for the two best teams in the nation to play in the same conference, and made it possible for them to meet in the NC. Within the framework of this year's rules, Alabama is "most deserving" of the second spot in the NCG.

I still agree with you that no team this season is really "deserving" of facing LSU, and that the Tigers and getting screwed in this whole deal. They've already shown they are the best team in the nation and it seems pointless to ask them to prove it again.
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I think in the future you will see winning your division as being one.

Bama fans make the argument that they lost to #1, and OSU lost to Iowa St. Edge Bama

OSU will make the argument that they beat more ranked teams. Edge OSU


I like the idea of crowing LSU, and letting Bama and OSU play for 2nd.
 
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#294
So what happens if Bama beats LSU by 3 in OT? I know the "BCS trophy" goes to the trailer park but the AP just might award LSU. Who does the SEC recognize as NC?

This whole thing is a joke, no way Bama should have gotten a rematch. What if Jefferson, the Honey Badger, or another key LSU player got hurt in the SECCG while the Bamers sat on their azzes?
 
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Very limited argument for AL title even if AL wins. Garbage poll result, even when given an out.
 
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hog88 said:
I know the "BCS trophy" goes to the trailer park but the AP just might award LSU. Who does the SEC recognize as NC?
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Since the BCS arrived, the AP title is basically unrecognized. The AP title has become similar to the many magazines that awarded National Titles back in the early 1900s.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The problem is everyone has flipped as far as who should be in the BCS game. In prior years, Boise St. and others were left out of the discussion due to their schedule. Now you have Ok. State, who in my opinion has had a very difficult schedule lose out. The media has done a complete flip, they better remember this next year when you have a Houston or Boise with zero loses.

If it's about the two best teams than I think it should be LSU v. Bama, if it's about body of work and schedule I would say OSU. Either way they need to pick a position and stick with it.

Of course, I think all of this is a big racketeering scheme.
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2011: Team A defeated 6 quality opponents while Team B defeated 4.

Years past: Team A defeated 6 quality opponents while Team B didn't even face a quality opponent.

Alabama wasn't chosen because of their strength of schedule, they were chosen because they haven't lost any games that they should have won. Alabama's schedule was more than acceptable for a team to qualify for the NC. It's not like they spent the entire season facing the Idaho's, San Jose St's and Utah St's of the world like Boise used to.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
2011: Team A defeated 6 quality opponents while Team B defeated 4.

Years past: Team A defeated 6 quality opponents while Team B didn't even face a quality opponent.

Alabama wasn't chosen because of their strength of schedule, they were chosen because they haven't lost any games that they should have won. Alabama's schedule was more than acceptable for a team to qualify for the NC. It's not like they spent the entire season facing the Idaho's, San Jose St's and Utah St's of the world like Boise used to.
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You do make a valid point but you have to at least acknowledge that OSU's schedule was harder than Bamas.

Now what is being said is Bama lost to the #1 team by 3 points in OT as the reason. Well, in many peoples eyes that is not a positive, it's a negative as they had their chance.

I would rather see LSU play OSU but I have to admit there is a part of me that wants to see the rematch just so this becomes Epic, as I can't stand Saban. Another victory over Saban will just put this season over the top.

The question is this really, what happens if Boise St. had zero loses?

If the question is getting the two best teams in there, how do you determine such.

Utah had a weak schedule and wiped Alabama, everyone left them out of the race because of their schedule, once you go down that road than you just have to go down that road... switching back and forth causes problems. IMHO
 
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