Butch Jones out to spark a renaissance at Tennessee - SI.com

[Oskie Volum]

Dooley may have known and understood our traditions but he sure as heck did not embrace them even close to the way Butch has. If you can't see and appreciate that you your orange blood must not run very deep!

Ok...so wearing orange pants on the sideline was something he came up with, right?? It had nothing to do with him respecting Majors who he saw wearing them on the sidelines when he was younger. Oh yeah he didn't open up and mend issues with Majors either, but only treated alums like crap by asking them to call ahead and not just drop in.

Yeah I forgot CBJ just realized how great UT was when he came to play in Neyland a few yrs back. Instantly became one of his dream jobs. Yeah that's soooo much better than the son of a rivals coach who yes may have hated UT growing up because of his father but respected UT for its history nonetheless. UT was Dooley's dream job if I had to bet. I would bet over UGA, because that's his dads legacy. I'd bet before all this UT or Bama would have been the top 2, because of thier SEC historical place.

 

[17Vols]

damn! i'm farred up!!

 

[VolinWayne]

Ok...so wearing orange pants on the sideline was something he came up with, right?? It had nothing to do with him respecting Majors who he saw wearing them on the sidelines when he was younger. Oh yeah he didn't open up and mend issues with Majors either, but only treated alums like crap by asking them to call ahead and not just drop in.

Yeah I forgot CBJ just realized how great UT was when he came to play in Neyland a few yrs back. Instantly became one of his dream jobs. Yeah that's soooo much better than the son of a rivals coach who yes may have hated UT growing up because of his father but respected UT for its history nonetheless. UT was Dooley's dream job if I had to bet. I would bet over UGA, because that's his dads legacy. I'd bet before all this UT or Bama would have been the top 2, because of thier SEC historical place.

It is useless arguing with people like you. I guess you still wish Dooley was here. News flash! He is gone. He had my full support untill the Missou game. That was probably about 4 games to many.

 

[vol_in_ar]

I kinda feel for the guy because many of us are so jaded and so cynical because of the last 5 years. Personally, when I read or hear what he says I can feel that twinge of belief well up inside. But then I remember our recent history and I force myself to take his words with a grain of salt.

Sincerely hope Butch can back up all the great things he says with the product on the field. If he can validate his words with the performance on the field, I hope the good feelings will heal the fans so that we can finally purge ourselves of the doubt and negativity that permeates.

Here's hoping that we aren't getting Butch slapped.

well said

 

[Oskie Volum]

It is useless arguing with people like you. I guess you still wish Dooley was here. News flash! He is gone. He had my full support untill the Missou game. That was probably about 4 games to many.

Why is it useless?? Because u can't understand my pov or just frankly don't want to?? That's not my problem man that's urs and everyone elses. If u can't see my pov enough to create a rebuttal than don't respond at all, but responding like u did makes u look like someone that is saying "I don't like what u have to say, don't know why, I just don't like it.". Its a waste of everyone's time. I, just like every one have their own opinion like it or not respond in kind or not at all. And if I'm to long winded for ur liking then put me on ignore.

Yes, and I've said it a bunch, I would have preferred dooley still be coach. That's not something new. Imho if he was given time and patience, perhaps like Spurrior did at uscjr, imho I believe he'd get us where we needed to be. Assumption..yes but at least its one on him already being in place. Not an assumption based on starting over with a new guy that was way down the list. Many don't see the things the way I do, which is normal and the story of my life, but I've gone with my gut to many times with success that I myself am confident that if Dooley were given the time and support through the tough times he would have gotten us there. And gotten us there for the long haul, Saban and Spurrier style, not short term spurts.

And yes Lois Lane I'm fully aware he is gone. That's not what my issue is with. My issue is with fans that can't comprehend the pt that during his era, and still atm there are more issues to fix than just the performance on the field for long term success. Which is what I want. I don't want a quick fix. I want a long term fix. My biggest fear is that cbj is going to have a great first season, ala Hoke at UM, and then fall off some the following year and people are going to resort back to being miserable. I was content and ok with seeing the progress I believed was happening, and yes imo there were many, and it being fixed correctly. Imho that would have gotten us to solid consistent success for many yrs to come. I look at what Spurrior did at uscjr, with Holtzs' foundation, as the slow steady growth that was going to get it done. Unfortunately,our AD was in shambles when dooley got to UT so takes longer.

 

[VolinWayne]

Why is it useless?? Because u can't understand my pov or just frankly don't want to?? That's not my problem man that's urs and everyone elses. If u can't see my pov enough to create a rebuttal than don't respond at all, but responding like u did makes u look like someone that is saying "I don't like what u have to say, don't know why, I just don't like it.". Its a waste of everyone's time. I, just like every one have their own opinion like it or not respond in kind or not at all. And if I'm to long winded for ur liking then put me on ignore.

Yes, and I've said it a bunch, I would have preferred dooley still be coach. That's not something new. Imho if he was given time and patience, perhaps like Spurrior did at uscjr, imho I believe he'd get us where we needed to be. Assumption..yes but at least its one on him already being in place. Not an assumption based on starting over with a new guy that was way down the list. Many don't see the things the way I do, which is normal and the story of my life, but I've gone with my gut to many times with success that I myself am confident that if Dooley were given the time and support through the tough times he would have gotten us there. And gotten us there for the long haul, Saban and Spurrier style, not short term spurts.

And yes Lois Lane I'm fully aware he is gone. That's not what my issue is with. My issue is with fans that can't comprehend the pt that during his era, and still atm there are more issues to fix than just the performance on the field for long term success. Which is what I want. I don't want a quick fix. I want a long term fix. My biggest fear is that cbj is going to have a great first season, ala Hoke at UM, and then fall off some the following year and people are going to resort back to being miserable. I was content and ok with seeing the progress I believed was happening, and yes imo there were many, and it being fixed correctly. Imho that would have gotten us to solid consistent success for many yrs to come. I look at what Spurrior did at uscjr, with Holtzs' foundation, as the slow steady growth that was going to get it done. Unfortunately,our AD was in shambles when dooley got to UT so takes longer.

Like I said in my previous post. I fully supported Dooley until the Missou game. If you watched that game and still believe dooley was the man for the job I seriously question your comprehension of football.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Like I said in my previous post. I fully supported Dooley until the Missou game. If you watched that game and still believe dooley was the man for the job I seriously question your comprehension of football.

Get ready for a war and peace-esque narrative.

 

[Catbone]

How bout UT beating the sh outta UK

 

[VolinWayne]

How bout UT beating the sh outta UK

I am hoping this team sticks around for a few more weeks. That was pretty awesome

 

[vollygirl]

Why is it useless?? Because u can't understand my pov or just frankly don't want to?? That's not my problem man that's urs and everyone elses. If u can't see my pov enough to create a rebuttal than don't respond at all, but responding like u did makes u look like someone that is saying "I don't like what u have to say, don't know why, I just don't like it.". Its a waste of everyone's time. I, just like every one have their own opinion like it or not respond in kind or not at all. And if I'm to long winded for ur liking then put me on ignore.

Yes, and I've said it a bunch, I would have preferred dooley still be coach. That's not something new. Imho if he was given time and patience, perhaps like Spurrior did at uscjr, imho I believe he'd get us where we needed to be. Assumption..yes but at least its one on him already being in place. Not an assumption based on starting over with a new guy that was way down the list. Many don't see the things the way I do, which is normal and the story of my life, but I've gone with my gut to many times with success that I myself am confident that if Dooley were given the time and support through the tough times he would have gotten us there. And gotten us there for the long haul, Saban and Spurrier style, not short term spurts.

And yes Lois Lane I'm fully aware he is gone. That's not what my issue is with. My issue is with fans that can't comprehend the pt that during his era, and still atm there are more issues to fix than just the performance on the field for long term success. Which is what I want. I don't want a quick fix. I want a long term fix. My biggest fear is that cbj is going to have a great first season, ala Hoke at UM, and then fall off some the following year and people are going to resort back to being miserable. I was content and ok with seeing the progress I believed was happening, and yes imo there were many, and it being fixed correctly. Imho that would have gotten us to solid consistent success for many yrs to come. I look at what Spurrior did at uscjr, with Holtzs' foundation, as the slow steady growth that was going to get it done. Unfortunately,our AD was in shambles when dooley got to UT so takes longer.

Oskie, there's a long list of things I liked about Dooley. I would have loved to have him continue as our coach and be a winner. I liked his wit, I liked his intelligence, and I liked his style.

But that didn't happen. So, I'm finding reasons to enjoy our current coach. Butch Jones is the head coach of the University of Tennessee Volunteers football team. He isn't a bad guy. He isn't a nobody. He is a winning coach who is happy for the opportunity to be here and coach our players, and he has my support.

Can we agree that even with different POV's, we don't have to down the other poster's opinion on this?

Bottom line is, we all love the Vols and want them to succeed. Right?

 

[butchna]

Ok...so wearing orange pants on the sideline was something he came up with, right?? It had nothing to do with him respecting Majors who he saw wearing them on the sidelines when he was younger. Oh yeah he didn't open up and mend issues with Majors either, but only treated alums like crap by asking them to call ahead and not just drop in.

Yeah I forgot CBJ just realized how great UT was when he came to play in Neyland a few yrs back. Instantly became one of his dream jobs. Yeah that's soooo much better than the son of a rivals coach who yes may have hated UT growing up because of his father but respected UT for its history nonetheless. UT was Dooley's dream job if I had to bet. I would bet over UGA, because that's his dads legacy. I'd bet before all this UT or Bama would have been the top 2, because of thier SEC historical place.

I get the gist of your Dooley support so I'm not going to disrespect you for it...you're on a light limb...not many people on that branch with you...honest question..do you think his plan was working and what accomplishment under him warrants support..if the question is vague to you just give best answer..I'm genuinely curious...I bought into Dooley until the Missouri fiasco..all the recent stories has me jaded about my loyalty being wasted
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[bmaultbay]

Why is it useless?? Because u can't understand my pov or just frankly don't want to?? That's not my problem man that's urs and everyone elses. If u can't see my pov enough to create a rebuttal than don't respond at all, but responding like u did makes u look like someone that is saying "I don't like what u have to say, don't know why, I just don't like it.". Its a waste of everyone's time. I, just like every one have their own opinion like it or not respond in kind or not at all. And if I'm to long winded for ur liking then put me on ignore.

Yes, and I've said it a bunch, I would have preferred dooley still be coach. That's not something new. Imho if he was given time and patience, perhaps like Spurrior did at uscjr, imho I believe he'd get us where we needed to be. Assumption..yes but at least its one on him already being in place. Not an assumption based on starting over with a new guy that was way down the list. Many don't see the things the way I do, which is normal and the story of my life, but I've gone with my gut to many times with success that I myself am confident that if Dooley were given the time and support through the tough times he would have gotten us there. And gotten us there for the long haul, Saban and Spurrier style, not short term spurts.

And yes Lois Lane I'm fully aware he is gone. That's not what my issue is with. My issue is with fans that can't comprehend the pt that during his era, and still atm there are more issues to fix than just the performance on the field for long term success. Which is what I want. I don't want a quick fix. I want a long term fix. My biggest fear is that cbj is going to have a great first season, ala Hoke at UM, and then fall off some the following year and people are going to resort back to being miserable. I was content and ok with seeing the progress I believed was happening, and yes imo there were many, and it being fixed correctly. Imho that would have gotten us to solid consistent success for many yrs to come. I look at what Spurrior did at uscjr, with Holtzs' foundation, as the slow steady growth that was going to get it done. Unfortunately,our AD was in shambles when dooley got to UT so takes longer.

I bet you spend a lot of time in front of the mirror looking and listening to yourself talk.

Why is it that YOUR pov is all that matters? We all have one.

Get over yourself.

 

[ALLVOL 4LIFE]

I'm excited to see the product on the field. He's definitely been saying all the right things up to this point. Man I hate this time of the year!!

Excited myself! can't wait either! Saw where you were from, Football season can't be alot of fun for you, I know your area and you have to be one of few if not the only Vol fan there. Glad to know the Vols get a little love in Limestone Co.

 

[GoVols15]

It is useless arguing with people like you. I guess you still wish Dooley was here. News flash! He is gone. He had my full support untill the Missou game. That was probably about 4 games to many.

You are correct. Never argue with a fool. This guy has a long history ... Just look at his picture, enough said. Let him rant and rave everybody knows! Maybe he will get tired of posting his long comments on Volnation and go to a Cowboys thread! One could only hope!

 

[Oskie Volum]

Oskie, there's a long list of things I liked about Dooley. I would have loved to have him continue as our coach and be a winner. I liked his wit, I liked his intelligence, and I liked his style.

But that didn't happen. So, I'm finding reasons to enjoy our current coach. Butch Jones is the head coach of the University of Tennessee Volunteers football team. He isn't a bad guy. He isn't a nobody. He is a winning coach who is happy for the opportunity to be here and coach our players, and he has my support.

Can we agree that even with different POV's, we don't have to down the other poster's opinion on this?

Bottom line is, we all love the Vols and want them to succeed. Right?

Volly I don't insult near as much as or anywhere as bad as the rest on here do. You know that. I was getting insulted left and right during the season as I was one of very few on here that was trying to get it positive in here. Its funny that I'm told to become a fan of another team by a mod when "so-called fans" months ago were wishing for the team to lose so Dooley would get fired. Just look at the responses I've got in this thread alone. At least I bring my own opinion and lay it out there for it to be picked at. But it seems not many on here like that. I don't mind having dialogue and allow it to influence my opinion just not many on here that are capable of that level of discussion IMO. Just calling me a fool because they are not able to comprehend.

Trust me I read and study threads more than I post. My pov doesn't come from no where but from carefully studying others opinions, facts and from my own experiences.

I get the gist of your Dooley support so I'm not going to disrespect you for it...you're on a light limb...not many people on that branch with you...honest question..do you think his plan was working and what accomplishment under him warrants support..if the question is vague to you just give best answer..I'm genuinely curious...I bought into Dooley until the Missouri fiasco..all the recent stories has me jaded about my loyalty being wasted
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To be honest I'm a trickle down effect guy. It would be to long for me to get it all down. I keep trying to find time to write it all out but apparently I'm to busy talking to myself in the mirror. Our problems stem from way before Dooley. I do believe that our past season would have turned out way better if the whole Gruden thing never existed. People saw something shiner and IMO engulfed an already warm seat he was on. Brought him done and brought the season down with it, and the players so many say they support.

Way to many factors involved for me to believe less than 3 seasons to get it done because that's what he was given to get the job done. A few improvements I did see real quick..better quality player. Talent, not 5 star, but talented enough to build on once they got older, last season we got spanked by all our major rivals in the 2nd half. This yr we took the fight to them deep into the game. Better OL and running game. Things that had been bad the previous yrs and he said they would be better last spring and they were some of the best in conference. Baby steps was ok with me. It's not all about wins/losses in rebuilding imo but positive movement in a good direction. Most didn't see any cause all they saw was their shiny Gruden and put in there heads all the negativitys about Dooley so he got fired. And they still carry it around.

Btw - thanks for at least trying to grasp my pov.

I bet you spend a lot of time in front of the mirror looking and listening to yourself talk.

Why is it that YOUR pov is all that matters? We all have one.

Get over yourself.

Yeah thats what I do but its usually when I'm behind your mom...hardy har har. That's seriously the maturity level of your comment so if you are unable to have a discussion son go back to your room. I promise I'm not gonna hurt her. :hi:

You are correct. Never argue with a fool. This guy has a long history ... Just look at his picture, enough said. Let him rant and rave everybody knows! Maybe he will get tired of posting his long comments on Volnation and go to a Cowboys thread! One could only hope!

Long story of what?? People like u unable to comprehend my pov. I put it all out there for y'all to discuss. If you can't understand it then go back to JR high don't come on here wishing id leave cause you don't get it. If you are unable to hold a conversation with someone that has a different pov then don't respond with something stupid. It's just tells everyone just that.

What you don't like my avatar cause it's dedicated to you as a Grudenite?? Thanks for such a great job of being positive this past season. :good!:

 

[thebjd]

Hey Sparty...don't you have a kids team to coach instead of reading my posts??? Cause obviously anyone that doesn't agree with you has never touched a field as a player or coach. Or at least that's the schtick you like to use.

Put me on ignore bud so you won't waste your time. Thx. :hi:

Dooley sucked and is gone. It is time to get over it.

 

[Oskie Volum]

Like I said in my previous post. I fully supported Dooley until the Missou game. If you watched that game and still believe dooley was the man for the job I seriously question your comprehension of football.

I comprehend football just fine. The problem is it just isn't about football atm. The whole system from top to bottom was broken. Trust me it's not my lack of football comprehension. But it may be my knowledge of the struggles that comes with rebuilding/reorganizing a business that is in shambles. That's where the issues lies with people not understanding me because few don't understand that side of it and can't understand it through my eyes.

 

[thebjd]

I comprehend football just fine. The problem is it just isn't about football atm. The whole system from top to bottom was broken. Trust me it's not my lack of football comprehension. But it may be my knowledge of the struggles that comes with rebuilding/reorganizing a business that is in shambles. That's where the issues lies with people not understanding me because few don't understand that side of it and can't understand it through my eyes.

Why were we better with Kiffin?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I comprehend football just fine. The problem is it just isn't about football atm. The whole system from top to bottom was broken. Trust me it's not my lack of football comprehension. But it may be my knowledge of the struggles that comes with rebuilding/reorganizing a business that is in shambles. That's where the issues lies with people not understanding me because few don't understand that side of it and can't understand it through my eyes.

Then you also understanding moving on from the person that shows he's not up to the task of the rebuild? I was all for giving CDD time to get the job done. I was one of his biggest supporters until about halfway through last season.

His team deteriorated. His decisions led to the worst D in UT history. His lack of leadership produced teams that quit on him.

His results proved that he is not the man for the job. I wish him no ill. I have little emotional response. It just is what it is.

I'm hitting the reset button and beginning anew. I am hopeful for the new staff. I see much that gives me hope. Time will tell for them as well, and their results will be what we judge them by, when all is said and done.

 

[VolinWayne]

I comprehend football just fine. The problem is it just isn't about football atm. The whole system from top to bottom was broken. Trust me it's not my lack of football comprehension. But it may be my knowledge of the struggles that comes with rebuilding/reorganizing a business that is in shambles. That's where the issues lies with people not understanding me because few don't understand that side of it and can't understand it through my eyes.

You bring up a great point. The whole system is broken. The first thing a coach needs to bring is a winning attitude. Looking back now I think that may have been one of Dooley's biggest downfalls was not bringing a winning attitude to the team. To be a winning football team you have to have a certain amount of swagger and be able to believe that you are going to win. Dooley basically prepared our team for defeat. Always talking about how terrible we were. Trust me buddy, I jumped on the Dooley train full force. Looking back now I believe I may have been just a little blinded. I do agree with you that he brought a certain amount of stability to the program. I do not think we would have ever gotten back to the level that Tennessee Football belongs at under him.

 

[sjrobert]

That's where the issues lies with people not understanding me because few don't understand that side of it and can't understand it through my eyes.

And why would or should they understand it through "your eyes"? You have an "opinion" just like everyone else, "just an opinion!"

 

[hmanvolfan]

Good read.


Butch Jones out to spark a renaissance at Tennessee - College Football - Zac Ellis - SI.com

:clap:

 

[GoVols15]

Okie Volum, there is a difference between a POV and ignorance, maybe one day you will know the difference. No more comments on your threads from me. Good luck!

 

[Wizard of Orange]

I just want a head coach that will bring Chavis back as DC and pick even a mediocre OC who understands run - blocking and is willing to evolve.

 

[Catbone]

Bring back kiffin! Just kiddicking