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BigOrangeTrain said:
Name a schedule in the last 50 years that compares to the one we just played.
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Just off the top of my head... 2010. I'd say 2011 is a pretty unique year. UT played BOTH participants in the NC game.

So CBJ had to play the toughest schedule in over 120 years with an unproven QB, WRs and other young players. So please continue to belittle those HUGE facts as is they mean nothing. You mention the Vandy loss and conveniently dismiss the SC win.
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Yeah? Where have I dismissed the USCe win? That is either ignorance or a lie depending on whether you've actually read ALL of my opinions or just locked in on the ones that are critical of the staff.

A tough schedule means a TON. If UT had played USCe's schedule then they should have won 8 or 9 games. When we say they should have won 6 or possibly 7 games... the difficulty of both the situation he had coming in and schedule HAVE been calculated in. I have said that better coaching would have prevented 4 non-competitive blow outs. I believe that to be absolutely true. The only one of those games that was ever a reasonable prospect for a win was Mizzou. IMO, if Worley is healthy... that game is very different.

BUT we now know that UF was a very bad loss. Vandy should have been a win. Therefore, this staff UNDERACHIEVED this roster. You don't have to agree but hopefully you can follow the logic.

You truly are a pathetic excuse for a Vol fan.
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Yeah. Insults make you smarter... umm, no.

Why don't you go root for Vandy or Bama? It's apparent that you dislike our coaches and team in general.
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Why don't you grow up a little and stop getting in such a snit because someone won't agree with you? I've probably been a UT fan for longer than you've been alive.

I neither dislike the coaches nor the team. I LIKE Jones a great deal. I think in many ways he's the ideal coach for UT. But they STILL HAVE TO PERFORM.

You DO understand that recognizing or even criticizing a flaw or failure does NOT constitute disliking someone, right?
 
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, you saw all the criticism here after the South Carolina game...wait, you mean people weren't criticizing Jones after the South Carolina game? Well, that can't be true, since we all know everyone who criticizes the program or coaches is simply addicted to negativity. It couldn't have anything to do with the unprecedented levels of failure the program has achieved. It couldn't have anything to do with a 5-7 season. No, fans of most major programs are cool with 4 straight losing seasons. They're usually cool with their new coach duplicating the worst record of the worst coach they've ever had.

There's no reason for criticism in every thread, guys. That would be like putting excuses in every thread.

Of course, I guess if you must criticize, then you should only do so in a thread you start specifically for it. And we all know those threads won't be trolled by numerous coach-worshipper posters with nothing to add but insults. Cool idea.
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Somebody please give this poor guy a hug. Bless him little heart. :cray:
 
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Look, it's not that we blast you for not being universally positive. Not at all. We blast several of you for spinning things in the most negative manner possible, 100% of the time, even if you have to ignore context and be generally dishonest in the process. oregonvol, of course, is the worst offender.
 
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Several here DO blast anyone who criticizes the staff... and though all of them can probably claim they don't "always" do it... one of them will always be there to do it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Several here DO blast anyone who criticizes the staff... and though all of them can probably claim they don't "always" do it... one of them will always be there to do it.
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Like it or not, this post is the truth.
Always a cult member more than willing to stretch their neck out before the executioner.
 
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I see a whole lot of small pecker syndrome , in these continuous rants . That is all . Carry on .


Edit : I certainly hope this was unpersonalized enough , to not be getting more warnings .
 
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So I had to weight into this great debate. Seriously we're debating Kiffin, Dooley and CBJ year 1. Seriously? I have no loyalty to any coach, but the one that is the current coach and I hope he does well. That being said. When he shows he can't coach and can't win the big game then he will get the criticism he deserves. It's still too early for me with CBJ. For me, Dooley's was the Kentucky game with a WR for QB. Kiffin was and still is a slime (even more reason to hate BAMA now) and most of Dooley's problems came from Kiffin's attitude, but that being said he knew he was being paid to win the big games and not lose the games that he wasn't supposed to. He lost to Kentucky and Vandy. You're not going to win many fans at UT doing that. CBJ has to make sure that losing to Vandy doesn't become a habit and that has to be the worst coached game I've seen in a while.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately and looking back at CBJ first years at CMU and Cincy may bear this out a bit. I think that CBJ gave the seniors and juniors the opportunity to win 6 games and get to a bowl game and gave some of the other lower class men experience in his system. Anyone else think that this year was an audition and a talent evaluation for this year with CBJ? Has anyone noticed the amount of players that have been asked to leave or chosen to leave in the last few months? The players that are not willing to compete hard enough to his liking are being recruited over or leaving. That will get rid of the stench and the losing mentality quicker that anything. It looks to me that 2/3 to 3/4 of the roster has been turned over in just 2 years to players that are CBJ recruits and know Day 1 going in what the expectations are.
 
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I'm pretty simple really. I'm a bottom line kind of guy. Butch beat SC, +1. He lost to Vandy -1. He broke even in my book. Criticism and praise where it is warranted is the way I see it. Color me still on the fence. Call me whatever you like.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I'm pretty simple really. I'm a bottom line kind of guy. Butch beat SC, +1. He lost to Vandy -1. He broke even in my book. Criticism and praise where it is warranted is the way I see it. Color me still on the fence. Call me whatever you like.
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The problem is, being focused solely on the bottom line means you're going to ignore essential context.

For example, the context that the 2012 team had much more talent than the 2013 team. A lot of you seem to be ignoring that for some reason.
 
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UTRavens said:
The problem is, being focused solely on the bottom line means you're going to ignore essential context.

For example, the context that the 2012 team had much more talent than the 2013 team. A lot of you seem to be ignoring that for some reason.
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Butch's minimum goal was to make a bowl game this past year. Was he ignoring the essential context?
 
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sjt18 said:
Several here DO blast anyone who criticizes the staff... and though all of them can probably claim they don't "always" do it... one of them will always be there to do it.
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It takes great team work to defend 5-7.

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volfan_89 said:
Yet you have defended Dooley after going 5-7.
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Because during Dooley's last year we were competitive in every game other than Bama and Vandy (as opposed to this year where we got blown out by Bama, Oregon, Mizzou, and Auburn, as well as lost to the worst UF team in probably last 30 years).
At least during Dooley's last year the offense was great - this year both offense and defense sucked.
But I actually don't defend Dooley firing - he had his shot and it did not work out so he had to go (but I disagree when people say he did not do anything good here during his 3 years - last year's offense was clearly one of the best in the country and school history and he did recruit and built that offense - both players and staff).
 
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rocktopper16 said:
If Worley wouldn't have got injured we wouldn't be having this argument. I believe we would have made a bowl game & beat Vandy.
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Abosulutely! Thank you! It amazes me that people blame Jake for the Vandy loss. "Take advantage of the secondary being out". Ok??? Should we throw even more bad throws from Dobbs? Ok.
 
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TGVol said:
Because during Dooley's last year we were competitive in every game other than Bama and Vandy (as opposed to this year where we got blown out by Bama, Oregon, Mizzou, and Auburn, as well as lost to the worst UF team in probably last 30 years).
At least during Dooley's last year the offense was great - this year both offense and defense sucked.
But I actually don't defend Dooley firing - he had his shot and it did not work out so he had to go (but I disagree when people say he did not do anything good here during his 3 years - last year's offense was clearly one of the best in the country and school history and he did recruit and built that offense - both players and staff).
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With Bray, Hunter, Patterson, Rivera, and Zach Rogers, it was impossible for that offense not to be good. Heck I probably could've called plays and had about the same amount of success. In the end it doesn't matter how good the offense is if you still lose.
 
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volfan_89 said:
With Bray, Hunter, Patterson, Rivera, and Zach Rogers, it was impossible for that offense not to be good. Heck I probably could've called plays and had about the same amount of success. In the end it doesn't matter how good the offense is if you still lose.
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Well let's see if CBJ will put that type of offense on the field within his first 3 years (1 strike, 2 to go). So far I have my doubts. Also, I would rather watch games where offense scores enough where we at least have a chance deep in 4th quarter like we did during Dooley's last year rather then games be over after 1st quarter (too many times this year).
 
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TGVol said:
Well let's see if CBJ will put that type of offense on the field within his first 3 years (1 strike, 2 to go). So far I have my doubts. Also, I would rather watch games where offense scores enough where we at least have a chance deep in 4th quarter like we did during Dooley's last year rather then games be over after 1st quarter (too many times this year).
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So Jones gets a strike for playing with players the Dooley recruited? That makes perfect sense. Do you really think Dooley would've been more competitive in those games this? Had Dooley been coaching this year we likely lose 8 games for the first time ever.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Do you really think Dooley would've been more competitive in those games this?.
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There is no question about that. Dooley had a great offensive staff and they would have scored a lot more and been more competitive with the exact same players we had this last year. And of course if he could have kept Wilcox we would not even be talking about any of this because Doley would still be coaching here (would have gone 9-3 or even 10-2 his last year with that offense if Wilcox was still coaching defense).
 
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