Do we have the money?

#76
#76
Blake25p said:
My thing about that is, if you can have 101,915 every home game (sell out) then you can have that many monthly donations. If the average donation was $25 a month that’s $30.5Mil a year.
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I like the positive thinking but 100k people aren’t gonna donate every month to pay players
 
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a vol n tears said:
I totally agree that corporate America is corrupt. I think people are getting ready to be shocked at what is going on. I had already given up on pro sports because of manipulation and I now see it happening to my beloved college sports. So many pro players retire and are bankrupt within a short time and their lives are in turmoil. So now we want to give 20-21 year old young people more money in 2 years than a majority of fans in the stands, will make their entire life. What’s worse is they want those same fans to pony up the money. I’m not mad at the players for doing it, I just refuse to go along with using my money (not the Billions the schools are now making) to finance it.
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i like what florida state and Oklahoma state did, they forced new terms on the head coach and agreed that the difference in the paycut would go to the NIL funds
 
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MarcoVol said:
I like the positive thinking but 100k people aren’t gonna donate every month to pay players
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Don’t necessarily disagree but less than 5,000 monthly donations is very disappointing for this fanbase. Heck we had 20-40k fans go to Ohio St, the total amount they spent on that trip would’ve been more than the $25 per month donation.
 
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Blake25p said:
Don’t necessarily disagree but less than 5,000 monthly donations is very disappointing for this fanbase.
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Need to advertise regionally on fox or some sh*t. Whatever the old people watch.

Advertise on TikTok by having the most popular players make TikToks asking for people to donate monthly for the younger crowd.
 
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Blake25p said:
Don’t necessarily disagree but less than 5,000 monthly donations is very disappointing for this fanbase. Heck we had 20-40k fans go to Ohio St, the total amount they spent on that trip would’ve been more than the $25 per month donation.
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But then they couldn’t have gone on the trip. People have to choose and right now more or choosing the event and team itself.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yep. Probably lower middle as well. Spyre was elite for a little bit and quickly fell.
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Spyre was the most organized when NIL was introduced. FL struggled as they had three different collectives which caused confusion. So now FL, LSU and others have one or two primary organizations/collectives. As a result, TN and Spyre are not ahead anymore. We better make changes adjust or we will get Jeff behind. I am confident someone will figure it out.
 
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VOLtaism said:
Better question is do we want to compete? Overpaying a bunch of high school kids just to win a championship seems silly at these prices.
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Why even overpay high school players if they never see the field. How much are we paying the OL recruits that haven't played? That's extremely foolish, to pay them to come here, never play them, and them getting frustrated and leave.
 
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JCVol00 said:
It doesnt matter how much money Spyre has, our staff wont overspend or bid for a player. If we offer a player a certain $ amount, and then another team offers him more $, we will let that player walk. All the insiders have said something to this effect (kingvfl, ap, rc)
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Well, that’s about to happen with the Northwestern lineman. He committed to TN on Christmas Eve leaving Heup and staff feeling giddy. The news leaked so other schools contacted his handlers to offer more NIL $$$. As long today, he is LSU bound unless TN matches.
 
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RockyTop140 said:
Wasn’t our deal with Pilot worth about 20 million a year? If they even directed half of that towards NIL we’d be a force. Maybe i misunderstood the deal
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to people like you and me, money spent on talent is good business...to people like danny white, milking your fans for a talent fee and making money by letting that money set in the bank and draw interest is good business
 
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Blake25p said:
My thing about that is, if you can have 101,915 every home game (sell out) then you can have that many monthly donations. If the average donation was $25 a month that’s $30.5Mil a year.
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Sure I could afford $25 a month, but I am also retired and watch where I spend my money. I would much prefer going out to eat lunch a couple of times a months with my friends for over 50 years. I would rather buy something I probably don’t need.
The 100,000 you mention are largely season ticket holders, who already pay for the privilege of buying tickets. The remaining 30-35% are not able to buy season tickets because the the various costs (travel, hotel, etc).
Just raise ticket prices $50 a game, let the restaurants add a 10% surcharge to your game day purchase so they can support NIL, let the parking areas charge an extra $5 to give to NIL. Add a Tenn tax on gas to support UT NIL fund. People won’t notice these things. After all every Vol fan is willing to pay to win big. Those 4 hours 12 times a year are what the average fan is most interested
 
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Skullbone said:
How about DISH Network put a Vol tax on all their users nation wide? No one will ever know. Just sneak it in with the other 17 hidden charges no one ever reads and voila. lol
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My dish bill went up $10 3 months ago due to "a rate increase". That's why I signed a 2 year contract 23 months ago, to keep my rate the same. I've had Dish for 16 years and I'm canceling in January.

*They can shove those fees and rate increases up their butt.

**My point...... eventually people are going to say "NO". Dish wants more now than I'm willing to spend. Everyone has a breaking point. UT/Danny White/the coaches requesting more money from fans, when they're making millions per year, is a real turn off to me.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think we don’t mind spending money in the portal but do you overpay and lose the ability to land big high school talent as well?

Ohio state was further along so they could go out and spend big on a few positions. We just have more holes to fill IMO. Recruiting is better but must still improve, can’t do that if you blow a lot in the portal.
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Nailed it. OSU has been recruiting at an elite level for years, their roster was better than most before they even dipped into the portal last year. The portal seems to work best when you just need a few pieces to complete your roster.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
The problem with NIL from a fans standpoint is, just like our NIL budget, the fans budget’s are finite. Most can’t buy the tickets/donations and continually fund NIL. There comes a point of choosing. I will openly admit that I don’t contribute to NIL. I’m sure I can try to cut out my daily coffee or work on quitting dip and free up funds in the budget to contribute but right now I like those vices more lol. Up until 4 years ago I had 3 season tickets for football and 2 for baseball. Both kept rising so much, plus my 4 hour travel and accommodations coming from out of state I ultimately had to choose one. I felt baseball gave me the best return, given the number of games, but it also costs me more overall because of the longer accommodations required and more frequent trips. It’s my choosing so I’m not looking for a pity party from Danny White but I will spend roughly $5K this spring on tickets and travel for baseball alone. I don’t see how this is sustainable for athletic departments with the general cost of living in everything else. I can see it being a mad rush right now while it’s new however, 10 years from now I can see folks looking up and saying I’ve spent $XK on paying kids to play a sport at my school and we’ve won nothing and I did it at the expense of my own kids education, my retirement, etc. and the whole thing starts drying up.
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Yep. I get it and could not agree more. My post was simply a reaction to the situation at hand and the arms race all around us. But your point about sustainability is correct IMO. I don't see the endgame. Does this eventually become a steady-state?
 
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17Vols said:
Nailed it. OSU has been recruiting at an elite level for years, their roster was better than most before they even dipped into the portal last year. The portal seems to work best when you just need a few pieces to complete your roster.
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Some teams are also more willing to border on tampering, some teams are also Ole Miss and don’t mind actively meeting with kids before they enter the portal. NCAA could have a field day with tampering if they still had any teeth what so ever.
 
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Yeah, that's the whole game. All of them do it. They bait you in with promo's and then next thing you know, you're paying a small mortgage every month. You can usually call and complain your way to a high enough manager to get a special return to your old price deal, but it's a pain. Other than that I love Dish. I'm institutionalized at this point. It's all I know. If I had to go to a different remote my muscle memory would be pressing the old dish button locations involuntarily. It could take years to re-train myself. Years.
 
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I feel, like other schools, we have the money. We just are tight about it and get too caught up in risk/reward rather than just spending the money like other schools are willing.
 
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tnvolfan16 said:
to people like you and me, money spent on talent is good business...to people like danny white, milking your fans for a talent fee and making money by letting that money set in the bank and draw interest is good business
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What?

The athletic department is not a for profit venture. There are no owners or shareholders. They essentially spend what they raise. They are wanting to raise more money because the costs are going up. They set the talent fee expecting the House settlement to go through, which means each school will be looking to raise another $20 million for profit sharing for the players. Some of you have the strangest concepts of where money goes.
 
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I4Jay said:
The Alumni alone have access to big money but is it being allocated in the right areas.

for example, Sacramento State just had 12 donors raise 35M in 24 hours for its football program to move up .
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35M ... hmmmm. That should last them one or two years and then they have to do it all over again, and again, and again. I read where Texas and Ohio State had football player salaries of 22M this year alone. Of course, this number will continue to rise annually and I wonder how long these school's alumni will be able to sustain these levels of support?
 
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