Fired Tennessee vaccinations director planning to leave state with her family

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BowlBrother85 said:
Just because COVID-19 is not as deadly as the Black Plague or Ebola, doesn't make it "benign". No epidemiologist has described it with that term.

I said: "that is benign compared to ebola, small pox, bubonic plague."

The basic premise of your argument is still dead wrong. You said that the government shouldn't be mandating injections, and then enforcing these mandates, but the Supreme Court ruled 116 years ago in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, that the government does have the right to do exactly that. This ruling has been tested numerous times by "Typhoid Mary" and others. It has always been upheld.

Typhoid, Ebola and the plague are far different than COVID. Had we been enduring something as serious as those diseases, you wouldn't have any pushback from me or most other people. There is always exceptions to the rule. But COVID does not reach that level of drastic measure.

Finally, you and these other "reasonable people" you speak of, are not the arbiters of whether or not COVID-19 is a serious enough threat to the community to warrant a vaccination mandate. Justice Harlan's written opinion for the majority makes it clear, that is the government's call (See Justice Harlan's reference to 'the legislature').

So a justice is supposed to be the arbiter of medical decisions? OK...
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joevol33 said:
You're stating "facts" that your TV told you, or news. I'm telling you what reality is, plenty of vaccinated people are filling up hospital rooms.
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What about the statistics being released directly by hospitals themselves? Are those fabricated?
 
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Impossible Girl said:
Benign? This ain’t benign.
I have mixed feelings. If we’d all worn N95 masks for a month last summer I wonder if this would be ancient history. This virus has to have a host to survive.
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The problem is we live in a global society with porous borders. Travelers and immigrants both legal and illegal cone in frequently. We could completely 100% vaccinate and still not defeat it. This is here to stay. As soon as delta runs through us, lamda will be right behind it. With each new strain the vaccine becomes less and less effective. We've already seen the first documented case of lamda in Texas. Lamda is reported to be worse than delta. It's going to continue mutating. I'm not sure where it ends.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
It's a fact that Tennessee has one of the lowest vaccination rates.
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So what? Do they have the highest mortality rate as well? Not that that really matters. Isn't it panning out that many people that are vaccinated are getting infected anyway? Isn't the disease still well over 99% survivable? Stop being such a chickenshit and live your life.
 
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Impossible Girl said:
Possibly. Wasn’t the case with SARS.
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How about that SARS vaccine btw? If you read the copied study below, you will see that SARS was more deadly. Yes the article was over a year old, however, the number of confirmed cases (and not deceased) in that study was also smaller because at that time testing for ChinaFlu was in it's infancy. Therefore there were probably MORE unconfirmed cases of ChinaFlu with the same number of confirmed deaths making it even LESS deadly than SARS. So why wasn't the SARS vaccine more aggressively sought? How about MERS? That was deadly as well.

From Comparison of confirmed COVID-19 with SARS and MERS cases - Clinical characteristics, laboratory findings, radiographic signs and outcomes: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Abstract
Introduction: Within this large-scale study, we compared clinical symptoms, laboratory findings, radiographic signs, and outcomes of COVID-19, SARS, and MERS to find unique features.
Method: We searched all relevant literature published up to February 28, 2020. Depending on the heterogeneity test, we used either random or fixed-effect models to analyze the appropriateness of the pooled results. Study has been registered in the PROSPERO database (ID 176106).
Result: Overall 114 articles included in this study; 52 251 COVID-19 confirmed patients (20 studies), 10 037 SARS (51 studies), and 8139 MERS patients (43 studies) were included. The most common symptom was fever; COVID-19 (85.6%, P < .001), SARS (96%, P < .001), and MERS (74%, P < .001), respectively. Analysis showed that 84% of Covid-19 patients, 86% of SARS patients, and 74.7% of MERS patients had an abnormal chest X-ray. The mortality rate in COVID-19 (5.6%, P < .001) was lower than SARS (13%, P < .001) and MERS (35%, P < .001) between all confirmed patients.
Conclusions: At the time of submission, the mortality rate in COVID-19 confirmed cases is lower than in SARS- and MERS-infected patients. Clinical outcomes and findings would be biased by reporting only confirmed cases, and this should be considered when interpreting the data.
Keywords: COVID-19; Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus; SARS virus; coronavirus; meta-analysis; severe acute respiratory syndrome.
© 2020 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
 
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AshG said:
What about the statistics being released directly by hospitals themselves? Are those fabricated?
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I'll chime in to say this. My wife works at what this area calls the main hospital. The stories that that hospitals release and the stuff my wife sees and hears from the higher ups don't match up. Not saying that the hospitals are down right making it up, but they are stretching the truth in places.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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You could be right (I don't think you are), but that is not your call to make.

A Supreme Court Justice is an arbiter of legal cases, which often involve Constitutional interpretation. Once in a great while, a case will be related to governmental mandates and/or regulatory measures concerning the public's health and safety.

Over the last 100 plus years, The Supreme Court has affirmed and re-affirmed that state governments have the right to impose and enforce vaccination mandates for infectious diseases, which the government has determined to be a threat to the well-being of the community-at-large.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Screw science, but at least your state book is the Bible. Do Tennesseans never tire of looking like uneducated Hicks
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I have been doing some heavy research into my family history. So far I have made it back to the 1700's, found a few things in a paper where one side of my family lived on the mountain side and how they survived. More recently how my father and his parents got through the great depression and how they had to live. I wouldn't write off uneducated hicks. Hicks may be looked down on, but it seems they tend to survive hard times where "educated" seem to struggle.
 
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Can we just merge this thread with the Vaccine or Not thread? Its the same stupid ass arguments being repeated by the same people over and over again. I dont think anyone here is changing anyone's mind at this point.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
How about that SARS vaccine btw? If you read the copied study below, you will see that SARS was more deadly. Yes the article was over a year old, however, the number of confirmed cases (and not deceased) in that study was also smaller because at that time testing for ChinaFlu was in it's infancy. Therefore there were probably MORE unconfirmed cases of ChinaFlu with the same number of confirmed deaths making it even LESS deadly than SARS. So why wasn't the SARS vaccine more aggressively sought? How about MERS? That was deadly as well.

From Comparison of confirmed COVID-19 with SARS and MERS cases - Clinical characteristics, laboratory findings, radiographic signs and outcomes: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Abstract
Introduction: Within this large-scale study, we compared clinical symptoms, laboratory findings, radiographic signs, and outcomes of COVID-19, SARS, and MERS to find unique features.
Method: We searched all relevant literature published up to February 28, 2020. Depending on the heterogeneity test, we used either random or fixed-effect models to analyze the appropriateness of the pooled results. Study has been registered in the PROSPERO database (ID 176106).
Result: Overall 114 articles included in this study; 52 251 COVID-19 confirmed patients (20 studies), 10 037 SARS (51 studies), and 8139 MERS patients (43 studies) were included. The most common symptom was fever; COVID-19 (85.6%, P < .001), SARS (96%, P < .001), and MERS (74%, P < .001), respectively. Analysis showed that 84% of Covid-19 patients, 86% of SARS patients, and 74.7% of MERS patients had an abnormal chest X-ray. The mortality rate in COVID-19 (5.6%, P < .001) was lower than SARS (13%, P < .001) and MERS (35%, P < .001) between all confirmed patients.
Conclusions: At the time of submission, the mortality rate in COVID-19 confirmed cases is lower than in SARS- and MERS-infected patients. Clinical outcomes and findings would be biased by reporting only confirmed cases, and this should be considered when interpreting the data.
Keywords: COVID-19; Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus; SARS virus; coronavirus; meta-analysis; severe acute respiratory syndrome.
© 2020 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
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Had it made it do the developed western world there would have been a vaccine.
 
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VolStrom said:
Yes it does. It has to do with how a state faced this virus and how it didn't lock down and kill its economy, unlike the liberal yahoo states that still haven't sent their kids back to school.
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There can be a compromised medium. It's not a binary choice
 
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#118
SpaceCoastVol said:
So what? Do they have the highest mortality rate as well? Not that that really matters. Isn't it panning out that many people that are vaccinated are getting infected anyway? Isn't the disease still well over 99% survivable? Stop being such a chickenshit and live your life.
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You have no idea what the F you're talking about. Stop it with the ignorant accusations. On your best day, I live my life better than you do on my worst day. Your problem is that you don't give a F about anyone but yourself. I like traveling and don't want it to be F'ed up by your ilk being selfish. Good God, man
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Sorry. My info is direct from hospitals. Don't watch the news
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So is mine. My wife said depending on the night It could be a 50-50 split give or take a few both ways. They are treating just as many people that has the shot as those that didn't take it. If you don't think the "info" the hospitals are putting out isn't politically charged you have lost your mind.
 
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AshG said:
... with my distaste for the thought process whereby people are put in nice, neat, but horribly inaccurate boxes for the purpose of outgrouping.
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Assuming you are referring to sociological outgrouping, not evolutionary, the usage of the term here seems contrary to its actual meaning.

To illustrate, those of us who pretty much believe the science of biology, classify people into two ingroups, male and female, and your statement seems to target those who are so predisposed to think that way are "horribly inaccurate."

Regardless of what one believes about biology, if I am correct in my assumption that you are targeting those who put people into those "nice, neat" boxes, they are not outgrouping people at all, but rather ingrouping.
 
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C1500 said:
So is mine. My wife said depending on the night It could be a 50-50 split give or take a few both ways. They are treating just as many people that has the shot as those that didn't take it. If you don't think the "info" the hospitals are putting out isn't politically charged you have lost your mind.
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My wife is a retired BS RN who has taken on 2-3 shifts/w/o since April 2020. Most of her shifts are at Vanderbilt. It's an overwhelmingly proportion of unvaccinated vs vaccinated as to hospitalizations for Covid
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Different in Tennessee
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You mean different in your part of Tennessee? I hate your wife is stuck in the middle of this mess too, but let's not act like this whole thing is not also politically driven by the hospitals even if its just a little bit.

My wife was a hero for over a year, who requested extra days to help out her coworkers and the place she worked. Now she is a villain because she doesn't want nor trust the shot with the amount of testing done. (She had not planed to take it no matter who got POTUS) Her and coworkers that have said they would prefer not to get the shot, have been called out for being selfish after a year of putting their life on the line every night for a disease no one knew anything about.

I don't belittle anyone for their personal choice. I have family that has took the shot that I am happy for. Some said they never felt better, some wished for a few days after they didn't take it. My wife has her own health issues that she is not sure what the effects the shot would have on her. She is allowed those fears. She is allowed those questions that the vax staff don't have answers for. Texas had a plane full of vaccinated people spread it. As I am sure all states regardless of political affiliation have.

Here on the east part of the state, its about a 50-50 split. May your wife stay safe during her shifts.
 
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