Georgia, etc. and Poaching

[Dadof2Vols]

It’s just basic common sense. And force all coaches to sign 1 yr non compete agreements with their employer. If NCAA requires it, all schools will have to comply.

Won’t work, some states DO NOT allow non competes.

 

[Sarms58]

If Georgia gets an NFL caliber QB then we're in big(ger) trouble. They have all the other pieces. I like Bennent as a tough college QB who is playing for the team he loves - can't take anything away from him. But this Georgia roster with a Bryce Young would be truly scary.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

In fairness, all he said was that he didn't use the transfer portal last year. A few days later he said that was just a fact about his team this year, not his philosophy and that he had taken a transfer every other year he has coached there. They picked up Eli Wolf from us as grad transfer early in Pruitt's tenure. Alot of our fans took that as a shot at us but it wasn't. Dude has the worst haircut of all time though. Looks like Captain Kangaroo.

Man what a buzz killer you are. Taking reading comprehension to throw water on this debate. You need to chill out!

 

[Dadof2Vols]

The NCAA may not have teeth to control NIL but they can, at least for now, control eligibility. The waiver for transfers wasnt decreed by a court ruling. The NCaa simply implemented it before the NIL ruling came out in hopes to win that, They didnt so the waiver is a waste and escaluates the problems. If the NCAA makes players sit a year after transfer, they would have to do something for coaches and the non-compete agreements would do that. If the NCAA requires it for bowl and playoff elgibility, the coaches and agents will have to accept it. Its not a tough gig, coaches agree to leave players & recruits at their former school alone.

The schools cant compete individually with the agents but as a group, they can.

Fix it with the following. Players who decide on their own to leave have to sit a year. Players who are asked to leave or who the school agrees to let out of their commitment get immediate eligibility but the last part is that the school must give a player a 12 month notice that their scholarship will not be renewed.

This will make all parties involved have more skin in making the relationship work out.

 

[tennrich1]

If we're gonna laugh at QBs, Jarrett Guarantano.
You're right, UGA won't win forever, no one does. But they're winning right now and with the way Kirby recruits, will be winning for the foreseeable future.

Friend …it’s America and we have freedom…but with no ill will I must say I CAN NOT BEGIN to imagine what would prompt a fan from an opposing team to come to this site. Maybe it’s just me…but I find it extremely obsessive and misplaced priorities. I’m sure you’re an upstanding young man but PLEASE…reevaluate your priorities. Especially if you have a family. JMO.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

Fix it with the following. Players who decide on their own to leave have to sit a year. Players who are asked to leave or who the school agrees to let out of their commitment get immediate eligibility but the last part is that the school must give a player a 12 month notice that their scholarship will not be renewed.

This will make all parties involved have more skin in making the relationship work out.

I could see some form of that idea working but not sure the NCAA is competent enough to implement a workable plan. You got to remember they are the ones that approved the current transfer portal and NIL with no apparent thought put into how coaches would manipulate this stuff.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The NCAA may not have teeth to control NIL but they can, at least for now, control eligibility. The waiver for transfers wasnt decreed by a court ruling. The NCaa simply implemented it before the NIL ruling came out in hopes to win that, They didnt so the waiver is a waste and escaluates the problems. If the NCAA makes players sit a year after transfer, they would have to do something for coaches and the non-compete agreements would do that. If the NCAA requires it for bowl and playoff elgibility, the coaches and agents will have to accept it. Its not a tough gig, coaches agree to leave players & recruits at their former school alone.

The schools cant compete individually with the agents but as a group, they can.

The NCAA doesn't have teeth to control D1. They have changed the constitution and have said they're restructuring the organization so D1 to essentially regulates itself.

The NCAA isn't going to restrict athletes from transferring because there's nothing for the NCAA to gain with that fight. There's no upside that I can see. There's not been parity in D1 football for a decade or two, at least, so it's obvious the NCAA hasn't cared as long as the money continued to flow to the schools. The money gets bigger with each TV contract and the NCAA (the schools) aren't walking away from that money.

While fans may be pissed and lesser schools may be pissed, that's really not the NCAA's problem. As long as ESPN and Fox continue to pay the schools ridiculous money, folks like Narduzzi can run their mouths all day and night....... but Pitt is still getting pretty well paid from the contracts.

The NCAA and schools are making bank from football and basketball and there's not a single reason for them to worry about player poaching or parity or coaches jumping. Why should they?

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

If Georgia gets an NFL caliber QB then we're in big(ger) trouble. They have all the other pieces. I like Bennent as a tough college QB who is playing for the team he loves - can't take anything away from him. But this Georgia roster with a Bryce Young would be truly scary.

Meh, I'll be glad when Bennett is gone, he is clutch, when they need a drive or a first down, he gets it. I'll be glad when they get someone more "talented" like NFL caliber Will Levis and Anthony Richardson, and less good at football.

 

[butchna]

How does that comment make Kirby look foolish? It was an accurate statement. He would have looked foolish (and hypocritical) if he said something about never taking someone from the portal then taking someone.

He was bragging about his players being all home grown...now he's going the portal route. It doesn't get him into Mensa.

 

[J C Higgins]

The NCAA doesn't have teeth to control D1. They have changed the constitution and have said they're restructuring the organization so D1 to essentially regulates itself.

The NCAA isn't going to restrict athletes from transferring because there's nothing for the NCAA to gain with that fight. There's no upside that I can see. There's not been parity in D1 football for a decade or two, at least, so it's obvious the NCAA hasn't cared as long as the money continued to flow to the schools. The money gets bigger with each TV contract and the NCAA (the schools) aren't walking away from that money.

While fans may be pissed and lesser schools may be pissed, that's really not the NCAA's problem. As long as ESPN and Fox continue to pay the schools ridiculous money, folks like Narduzzi can run their mouths all day and night....... but Pitt is still getting pretty well paid from the contracts.

The NCAA and schools are making bank from football and basketball and there's not a single reason for them to worry about player poaching or parity or coaches jumping. Why should they?

In an tangential way Saban has talked about that. He has complained about fans leaving the game when Bama is ahead with zero chance of an opponent making it a close game. Games are played to see who will win. When a few college teams dominate the sport with little chance of another team winning fans of other college teams will quit going to games or even watching them on TV which will adversely affect TV revenue. This is exactly the reason the NFL decided to institute salary caps and a draft system that makes player rosters more even. They know if the same one or two teams win the Super Bowl every year revenue will drop because lack of viewership.

 

[HalfullVol]

Big Boy ball = NIL

deal with it

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

In an tangential way Saban has talked about that. He has complained about fans leaving the game when Bama is ahead with zero chance of an opponent making it a close game. Games are played to see who will win. When a few college teams dominate the sport with little chance of another team winning fans of other college teams will quit going to games or even watching them on TV which will adversely affect TV revenue. This is exactly the reason the NFL decided to institute a draft system that makes player rosters more even. They know if one or two teams win the Superbl owl every year revenue will drop because lack of viewership.

Saban has TALKED about that while winning multiple championships and continuing to out recruit (and now likely outspend) 90% of the other schools. Talk is cheap. His salary has continued to rise and Bamas TV revenue has continued to rise. Butts in seats are so last century. I can say that. Saban can't.

That's the issue with the portal and wholesale transfers. The NCAA doesn't want players suing them saying, "What right does the NCAA have to tell me where I can and can't play football when I'm in school? It's none of their business where I enroll and why do they get to decide what's good for my life? No one tells other students what school activities they can and can't participate in if they transfer. I'm calling my lawyer. The NCAA doesn't own me."

The NCAA just lost a case trying to argue "we had those rules because it's good for our business" and the court told them "you can't take away people's rights for your business if they're not your employees." The NCAA is terrified of the word "employees" when it comes to athletes.

Besides, ESPN and Fox keep shoveling money at the schools and parity hasn't existed in college football in many years. Your premise of "it will cause revenue to drop" has been failing for over a decade.

 

[J C Higgins]

Saban has TALKED about that while winning multiple championships and continuing to out recruit (and now likely outspend) 90% of the other schools. Talk is cheap. His salary has continued to rise and Bamas TV revenue has continued to rise. Butts in seats are so last century. I can say that. Saban can't.

That's the issue with the portal and wholesale transfers. The NCAA doesn't want players suing them saying, "What right does the NCAA have to tell me where I can and can't play football when I'm in school? It's none of their business where I enroll and why do they get to decide what's good for my life? No one tells other students what school activities they can and can't participate in if they transfer. I'm calling my lawyer. The NCAA doesn't own me."

The NCAA just lost a case trying to argue "we had those rules because it's good for our business" and the court told them "you can't take away people's rights for your business if they're not your employees." The NCAA is terrified of the word "employees" when it comes to athletes.

Besides, ESPN and Fox keep shoveling money at the schools and parity hasn't existed in college football in many years. Your premise of "it will cause revenue to drop" has been failing for over a decade.

NFL owners aren't stupid when it comes to money and revenue.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

NFL owners aren't stupid when it comes to money and revenue.

Neither is the NCAA. The school's football revenue has continued to increase substantially even though 6 or 8 teams are consistently in the top 10 and winning championships.

The NFL also have the players under contract, as employees, so they can legally set work conditions. The NCAA doesn't employ players so legally being able to restrict their ability to earn outside money was just removed. Do you want to bet the courts would allow the NCAA to legally tell players who transferred they have to sit out because it's good for the NCAA's business....... that isn't sharing any of the revenue with the players? I don't.

 

[onevol74]

How quickly you moved from Kirby's comment to his inability to coach to tossing shade at Georgia's championship, which i think is where your real problem with Kirby is. Dawgs won the title. You'll be happier when you accept it.

You will be happier when you accept how championships are bought.

 

[J C Higgins]

Neither is the NCAA. The school's football revenue has continued to increase substantially even though 6 or 8 teams are consistently in the top 10 and winning championships.

The NFL also have the players under contract, as employees, so they can legally set work conditions. The NCAA doesn't employ players so legally being able to restrict their ability to earn outside money was just removed. Do you want to bet the courts would allow the NCAA to legally tell players who transferred they have to sit out because it's good for the NCAA's business....... that isn't sharing any of the revenue with the players? I don't.

Not saying anything about work conditions or the legalities of what a player or school can or cannot do. Just saying that the NFL realized disparity of rosters would allow a few teams to dominate which would eventually result in diminished fan interest of most teams.

 

[thistime]

You can bet whatever rule they come up with in the future, people will ignore it or find a way to work around it. It has always been about money to some extent now it is just legal and the ones with the money will pay it and continue to succeed. The NIL deals and rules are something they will have trouble undoing now and any changes will windup in court and drag on for who knows how long.........Pandora's Box type thing now.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Not saying anything about work conditions or the legalities of what a player or school can or cannot do. Just saying that the NFL realized disparity of rosters would allow a few teams to dominate which would eventually result in diminished fan interest of most teams.

The NFL handled it with a draft, salary caps, etc which can only be accomplished by the players being employees.

I don't enjoy what's happening and a wild west situation when it comes to recruiting but the college athletes aren't employees. The NCAA can't really stop the NIL earnings from being used for recruiting and they probably won't be able to stop a transfer from playing immediately.

I reject that the NCAA's revenue will fall because of the disparity among teams we've not seen parity in NCAA football for many years and the revenue has only increased.

 

[VolsCigarMan]

Bottom line is we need to do the same. Unfortunately this is just how it is now until NCAA does something about it. I'm sure we have just as much money for NIL as Georgia does.

 

[Grouse Stalker]

Stop. That was exactly the intent of him making a foolish comment like that. He can recruit I'll give him that but he is an average at best game day coach. No one I can think of doing less with more than this tool. My opinion is he's very lucky Bama best receiver was not playing in the championship game had he been it's possible those 15 first round picks don't win the rematch

Got any proof to offer?

 

[Grouse Stalker]

Lol. You did. And I can assure you that when teams with much better game day coaches start to somewhat level the playing field Georgia will go right back to where they were when Kirbs was playing. Enjoy it now my dog friend but deep down you know I am right. Jake Fromm... Lol

Low intellect stuff, iyam. Give me the Jake Fromm days all day, every day. In
fact, that's what we have right now - Stetson Bennett.

Jake Fromm played for the national championship, and only lost because a safety didn't cover over the top against a QB they hadn't prepared much to play against - and who would have?

Otherwise, you are bellyaching because Georgia might be about to win a 3rd Natty since today's kindergartners were born.

 

[Grouse Stalker]

You never once heard me say JG was a average QB. We were led to believe that Fromm was the 2nd coming of Joe Montana. I totally forgot that with a roster littered with talent he was completely embarrassed by Ed Ogeron. Lol. Again respect for your recent success but no coach is afraid of matching wits with Kirbs.

Well, let's see...

Over the last two seasons, Tennessee's head coach has been limited to less than 30 points on offense only twice. In fact, Tennessee has scored a combined 30 points over those two games. Guess the coach?

Are you say'n Heupel ain't skeered of "Kirbs"?

 

[Grouse Stalker]

You will be happier when you accept how championships are bought.

Sorry for you that Tennessee ran out of money in the late 90's???

 

[vols40]

Low intellect stuff, iyam. Give me the Jake Fromm days all day, every day. In
fact, that's what we have right now - Stetson Bennett.

Jake Fromm played for the national championship, and only lost because a safety didn't cover over the top against a QB they hadn't prepared much to play against - and who would have?

Otherwise, you are bellyaching because Georgia might be about to win a 3rd Natty since today's kindergartners were born.

The whataboutism is as prevalent as the "bushes (hedges)" in Athens and you may win it this year. But give me any other coach than Kurb on game day. And no one else wants Jacob From. Lol was part of that monumental choke job in the SEC championship game.

 

[Grouse Stalker]

The whataboutism is as prevalent as the "bushes (hedges)" in Athens and you may win it this year. But give me any other coach than Kurb on game day. And no one else wants Jacob From. Lol was part of that monumental choke job in the SEC championship game.

So, in your words, Georgia might repeat as National Champion this year, but that's despite the head coach running the program.

Got it.