Marijuana decriminalization vote expected in House

[LouderVol]

Quick fact. It’s still illegal to make distilled spirits even for your own consumption.

What about engine cleaner?

 

[hog88]

What about engine cleaner?

If it's alcohol based, no. But you can distill all the vinegar you want.

My nearest neighbor down the road is a Deputy and he's very appreciative of my annual run. Last year I had 3 deputies sitting around drinking beer watching. I thought my granddad is rolling over in his grave.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You can’t sit there with a straight face and say it is more dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, yet, they are not illegal. By any measure, alcohol and tobacco are the more dangerous and lethal drugs.

The fact that marijuana is the illegal one out THC, Alcohol, and Tobacco says it really isn’t about safety or health.

i didnt say it was "more dangerous than alcohol or tobacco"....i said that potheads tout it as some herbal med wonder, but in reality, it has just as many negative effects on the human body as it does positive

 

[Rickyvol77]

Lol.
Maybe your industry is exempt? I own the business have talked to both the labs and lawyers. Call a lab tomorrow and get back to me.

you can never be intoxicated/under the influence of a narcotic and legally work in almost every job out there..
If you are letting workers work high, you are a liability issue waiting to happen

 

[InVOLuntary]

you can never be intoxicated/under the influence of a narcotic and legally work in almost every job out there..
If you are letting workers work high, you are a liability issue waiting to happen

Like I said, it's not always a black and white situation. If you suspect it, send them for a drug test, and it returns negative because the person had a prescription, then what can you do? If someone is obviously high, they're fired on the spot.

 

[utvolpj]

i didnt say it was "more dangerous than alcohol or tobacco"....i said that potheads tout it as some herbal med wonder, but in reality, it has just as many negative effects on the human body as it does positive

It does not. The effects you've brought up occur in a very small set of users.

 

[Rickyvol77]

It absolutely does not. The effects you've brought up occur in a very small set of users.

younger people with developing brains have negative effects on long-term brain growth including severe loss of memory and likely accelerates dementia in some.
That's also not counting the growing percentage of the population who do have a mental illness that using weed (or other drugs) cause even more serious side effects.

And if you smoke it regularly, you still are more likely to have heart issues as well as lung cancer develop.

Just like any other narcotic, just because it may help with seizures, some chronic pain relief, etc. it doesn't mean it's good for people either

 

[DancingOutlaw]

There was a guy at work we suspected of nipping but they could never catch him. The guys in his department said he would go out to his car 2-3 times a day mid morning or afternoon. I said $100 that dude has a bottle of vodka in the car and he's reloading. Finally after one of his many "I'm feeling sick and need to go home" incidences he must have slipped a little too much and his boss stopped him as he was leaving the parking lot. They took him to the drug testing place and he racked up a 0.24. Even with that he swore up and down he hadn't had anything to drink.

 

[utvolpj]

Just like any other narcotic, just because it may help with seizures, some chronic pain relief, etc. it doesn't mean it's good for people either

It actually is better than those because of the addiction aspect. No one had said it's great for use as a recreational drug but on our current legal scale it's no where near the most dangerous. It's simply a revenue creation tool for states and communities. Being banned does more harm than legalizing ever could

 

[southgatevol]

Like I said, it's not always a black and white situation. If you suspect it, send them for a drug test, and it returns negative because the person had a prescription, then what can you do? If someone is obviously high, they're fired on the spot.

In some industries having a prescription doesn't save you. You bust on a drug test you are gone. Whether from smoking or CBD oil, the tests do not distinguish between the two, positive is positive.

 

[MercyPercy]

I'll be in LA this afternoon, time to see if the legal fresh stuff is any different than what we get in FL. I suspect most of what we get is shipped from Cali anyways.

Excited to try some ice wax though.

 

[rjd970]

i didnt say it was "more dangerous than alcohol or tobacco"....i said that potheads tout it as some herbal med wonder, but in reality, it has just as many negative effects on the human body as it does positive

My point was arguing in any way marijuana laws are based in health or safety in anyway is pathetically hollow when put in context of other legal drugs.

Just like any drug, legal or otherwise, there are side effects. However, marijuana is unique among drugs because it has legitimate medicinal purposes and is all but impossible to overdose on.

There really are no good reasons for it to be illegal. None.

 

[Elhanan]

My point was arguing in any way marijuana laws are based in health or safety in anyway is pathetically hollow when put in context of other legal drugs.

Just like any drug, legal or otherwise, there are side effects. However, marijuana is unique among drugs because it has legitimate medicinal purposes and is all but impossible to overdose on.

There really are no good reasons for it to be illegal. None.

I’ll post a list of every person to die from cannabis alone below just so we all are aware of the risk:

 

[OHvol40]

i didnt say it was "more dangerous than alcohol or tobacco"....i said that potheads tout it as some herbal med wonder, but in reality, it has just as many negative effects on the human body as it does positive

Though I agree with you here, the “pot is a miracle drug” movement is just the pendulum swinging back from the “pot is a gateway drug and a tool of the devil himself” movement.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I’ll post a list of every person to die from cannabis alone below just so we all are aware of the risk:

does this include those who killed themselves while on marijuana?
or those who developed lung cancer from smoking it?
or those who were high and killed themselves in car accidents?
or those who smoked weed laced with PCP or fentanyl and died in the ED?

Because those things happen of the time

 

[rjd970]

does this include those who killed themselves while on marijuana?
or those who developed lung cancer from smoking it?
or those who were high and killed themselves in car accidents?
or those who smoked weed laced with PCP or fentanyl and died in the ED?

Because those things happen of the time

Alcohol does all of those too...and to boot....now compare how many have overdosed on marijuana with that if alcohol. If safety and health are the concern, alcohol should be outlawed as well.

This isn’t about health and safety. It just isn’t. The dangers simply don’t compare, medicinally or statistically.

 

[utvolpj]

does this include those who killed themselves while on marijuana?
or those who developed lung cancer from smoking it?
or those who were high and killed themselves in car accidents?
or those who smoked weed laced with PCP or fentanyl and died in the ED?

Because those things happen of the time

All the time? Poppycock

 

[Rickyvol77]

All the time? Poppycock

Come visit a level 1 trauma center during the summer and spend a week with us

 

[rjd970]

Come visit a level 1 trauma center during the summer and spend a week with us

Your anecdote is noted. The overall statistics simply don’t support it.

 

[volbeast33]

I don't partake.

But I see no reason why it should be criminalized.

I agree

 

[rjd970]

I don't partake.

But I see no reason why it should be criminalized.

This is where I am. I’m not a user and never will be. It makes absolutely no sense and non-violent “criminals” buying selling and using it having their lives ruined over stupid policies is where my heartache is. People should be able to grow it with the rest of the vegetables And flowers in their backyard garden. This is dumb.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Your anecdote is noted. The overall statistics simply don’t support it.

I am not disagreeing with “statistics” or arguing for or against marijuana. I just find the argument of “yea it does have negative effects on the body/brain but hey at least it’s not heroin” to be a dumb one

 

[Elhanan]

I am not disagreeing with “statistics” or arguing for or against marijuana. I just find the argument of “yea it does have negative effects on the body/brain but hey at least it’s not heroin” to be a dumb one

What should we do about products that have a potential negative effect on the body and brain?

 

[NEO]

Y’all are talking about two different subjects.

I just feel sorry for u poor suckers who have to get drug tested all the time.

I havent peed in a cup since I was 17 working at fed ex.

I have literally been in the bathroom before board meetings and had executives doing lines to help get their minds clear..
.their words not mine.

I will say though that these same guys looked down on weed as a ghetto drug so it's just a weird world.

 

[k-town_king]

People that smoke weed rarely just smoke weed. If I had to choose I’d take the war on drugs versus freely allowing habitual drug use.

You can always tell the cornballs with no life experience.

This isn't remotely true.

does this include those who killed themselves while on marijuana?
or those who developed lung cancer from smoking it?
or those who were high and killed themselves in car accidents?
or those who smoked weed laced with PCP or fentanyl and died in the ED?

Because those things happen of the time

Come visit a level 1 trauma center during the summer and spend a week with us

Dang Paula Blart I didn't know you were a nurse in addition to security guard.

You're a busy woman.