Maui fire. What is going on?

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Orangeburst said:
this is a loser for the Dems..there is already the loose association of spending x vs y and now they are actually linking them.
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I agree. Ukraine being tied to this will backfire big time...

1. The response by Dems in Hawaii has been awful. I will speculate once a review is done, it won't look good for local/state government out there. Ds need Maui out of news cycle. The best way to do that is what W did after Katrina blunders. Cash, lots of cash.

2. Idalia impacted GA, which is a toss up state. Ds won't look good there if Ukraine gets cash and GA doesnt
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
No, NOAA incurred expenses for hurricane planes and marine cleanup due to Sandy and this reimbursement was included in the disaster bill. The Noaa stuff was just the political cover for the Rs not to give the money to blue areas...

Keep up Hog...

Neither party is pure here
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I never said that either party is pure. Both are disgusting and examples of why this type of action should be at the state level and not under the federal powers.
 
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It’s so cute to see Oprah and the Rock begging the American people to donate to Maui. I mean a billionaire and someone worth hundreds of millions asking average citizens to donate their hard earned money.

How about Oprah, the Rock, Leflop, Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, Zuckerberg and a few others each give 30-50 million? I mean pretty soon Maui could have over a billion.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
It’s so cute to see Oprah and the Rock begging the American people to donate to Maui. I mean a billionaire and someone worth hundreds of millions asking average citizens to donate their hard earned money.

How about Oprah, the Rock, Leflop, Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, Zuckerberg and a few others each give 30-50 million? I mean pretty soon Maui could have over a billion.
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Maybe they could at least give as much as they donated to their political causes last election cycle.
 
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What's up with the stories from locals who did escape saying that the police blocked roads so people couldn't get out? I've seen several videos from local people claiming that over the past few days.
 
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joevol33 said:
What's up with the stories from locals who did escape saying that the police blocked roads so people couldn't get out? I've seen several videos from local people claiming that over the past few days.
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Over the past few days? More like from the very beginning they have been saying that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Over the past few days? More like from the very beginning they have been saying that.
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Probably, but I've only been watching them for a few days. Sad, and pathetic what they did to those people.
 
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I haven't really gotten into this Maui tradgedy but I have got to say there are definitely a lot of anomalies with what happened and the way things happened. How do entire houses and cars burn and trees are still standing right beside them.

 
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VolinWayne said:
I haven't really gotten into this Maui tradgedy but I have got to say there are definitely a lot of anomalies with what happened and the way things happened. How do entire houses and cars burn and trees are still standing right beside them.

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Go look at pretty much any wildfire, the big trees always do better than the rest.

big trees tend to choke out most underbrush. limiting fuel sources near them.
big trees also tend to lose their lower branches, limiting the spread of fire from the ground.
Big trees are also going to survive losing a couple branches if they do catch fire. So some fire is not going to kill them.
And just based on the geometry of the tree itself its a lot more difficult to burn a solid piece of wood than the wood walls in most residential houses. There is even a separate Construction Type that accounts for Heavy Timber framing, which is the small dimension is over 4" actual. Its Type 4 construction, vs Type 5 construction for typical homes, same logic applies to the base tree. The fire CANT burn all the way thru the wood because the char chokes it out. and because any secondary fire sources will burn up there won't be a heat source to maintain the fire after the char forms.

I know people really want these surviving buildings, and now trees, to be proof of a conspiracy, but really its the application of a higher standard of construction that human have long understood. those standards are based on how nature works. we have accepted the lower relative safety provided by the structure to provide affordable single family houses.
 
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LouderVol said:
Go look at pretty much any wildfire, the big trees always do better than the rest.

big trees tend to choke out most underbrush. limiting fuel sources near them.
big trees also tend to lose their lower branches, limiting the spread of fire from the ground.
Big trees are also going to survive losing a couple branches if they do catch fire. So some fire is not going to kill them.
And just based on the geometry of the tree itself its a lot more difficult to burn a solid piece of wood than the wood walls in most residential houses. There is even a separate Construction Type that accounts for Heavy Timber framing, which is the small dimension is over 4" actual. Its Type 4 construction, vs Type 5 construction for typical homes, same logic applies to the base tree. The fire CANT burn all the way thru the wood because the char chokes it out. and because any secondary fire sources will burn up there won't be a heat source to maintain the fire after the char forms.

I know people really want these surviving buildings, and now trees, to be proof of a conspiracy, but really its the application of a higher standard of construction that human have long understood. those standards are based on how nature works. we have accepted the lower relative safety provided by the structure to provide affordable single family houses.
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What about the palm tree in the middle of the building thats burned up in the picture below? Listen, I'm not going full bore conspiracy here but you got to admit some strange things going on.
 

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VolinWayne said:
What about the palm tree in the middle of the building thats burned up in the picture below? Listen, I'm not going full bore conspiracy here but you got to admit some strange things going on.
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What do you think happened? The government burned down the building but built walls around the palm trees?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
It’s so cute to see Oprah and the Rock begging the American people to donate to Maui. I mean a billionaire and someone worth hundreds of millions asking average citizens to donate their hard earned money.

How about Oprah, the Rock, Leflop, Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, Zuckerberg and a few others each give 30-50 million? I mean pretty soon Maui could have over a billion.
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I agree, it's nauseating to see billionaires ask ordinary Americans for money to fund personal causes.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I haven't really gotten into this Maui tradgedy but I have got to say there are definitely a lot of anomalies with what happened and the way things happened. How do entire houses and cars burn and trees are still standing right beside them.

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Look at pictures of Paradise, CA after the Camp fire. Plenty of trees survived with areas all around them burnt to a crisp...
 
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NashVol11 said:
What do you think happened? The government burned down the building but built walls around the palm trees?
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All I am saying is it's weird. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other, I am simply making and stating an observation.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Look at pictures of Paradise, CA after the Camp fire. Plenty of trees survived with areas all around them burnt to a crisp...
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I know, I have seen the photos. I was simply saying some of the photos I have seen just don't add up when you think about fires as we know them. I go to great efforts when I'm burning wood, branches and debris at my farm to make sure no sparks fly into the nearby trees and start a forest fire with all the kindling from the leaves in the trees. I guess maybe I'm just being way to cautious
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
It’s so cute to see Oprah and the Rock begging the American people to donate to Maui. I mean a billionaire and someone worth hundreds of millions asking average citizens to donate their hard earned money.

How about Oprah, the Rock, Leflop, Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, Zuckerberg and a few others each give 30-50 million? I mean pretty soon Maui could have over a billion.
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Almost as funny as Trump begging poor people to give to his "legal fund".
And bragging that he raised 7 million on the day he was booked.
 
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VolinWayne said:
What about the palm tree in the middle of the building thats burned up in the picture below? Listen, I'm not going full bore conspiracy here but you got to admit some strange things going on.
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What about them? They look like they got burnt, the palms are definitely in rough shape. they just didn't collapse, which is what I was pointing out,

that picture doesn't at all show the context around the actual tree. I haven't dealt with Palm trees, but pretty much every other tree of that size would require at least a 10' radius root ball to keep it alive, which would mean the building would have to be at least that far away. which would give plenty of room for the tree to not be burnt up in the building.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I know, I have seen the photos. I was simply saying some of the photos I have seen just don't add up when you think about fires as we know them. I go to great efforts when I'm burning wood, branches and debris at my farm to make sure no sparks fly into the nearby trees and start a forest fire with all the kindling from the leaves in the trees. I guess maybe I'm just being way to cautious
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again, there is a difference in there being a fire, and there being a fire that wipes absolutely everything out, and nothing can grow back later. Nature evolved/was created in a way that allows them to deal with it and survive.
 
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