Nick Sabans 1st year at Bama

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red_air69 said:
6-6 regular season. Oh, and Alabama had no where near the last 4 years tennessee has has as far as turnover. Yes it sucks to lose to Vandy.... but that same Vandy team went into the Swamp and beat Florida and beat UGA. In the 1990's and most of 2000's Tennessee, Florida, and UGA always decided the SEC east. Every Vol hates him but Franklin is one Hell of a coach. I can't believe what he has done and he will be gone next season and Vandy will go back to being Vandy.

By the way, I have a Driod for a phone and if I type in "Bama" it auto corrects me to "Obama". Just saying... my phone even knows.

Go Vols!
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All this info is great, but what the he!! is a Driod ? :question:
 
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Nick Saban had already won the SEC a couple of times and had a NC to his resume before taking the Bama job so the comparisons are very ignorant.
 
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oregonvol said:
Since we're dead set on using Saban's first year at Alabama as some get out of jail free card for Butch Jones, let's also not forget that Nick Saban replaced his offensive coordinator after that first year too, and it all worked out for the best.
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Most compelling argument you've made on VN.
 
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You can't use the schedule as a 100% excuse for the losing record if you can't beat Vanderbilt.

People pretending that Vandy today is the same historically bad Vandy we grew up with is much sillier than bringing up Saban's first season at Bama. In case anyone wasn't paying attention we have been struggling with both Vandy and UK starting back the last several seasons of the Fumer era. Yet some of you keep pretending this should have been a UT blowout.

11/17/2012 @ Vanderbilt (9-4) L 18 41
11/19/2011 vs. Vanderbilt (6-7) W 27 21
11/20/2010 @ Vanderbilt (2-10) W 24 10
11/21/2009 vs. Vanderbilt (2-10) W 31 16
11/22/2008 @ Vanderbilt (7-6) W 20 10
11/17/2007 vs. Vanderbilt (5-7) W 25 24
11/18/2006 @ Vanderbilt (4-8) W 39 10
11/19/2005 vs. Vanderbilt (5-6) L 24 28

Since 2005, with the exception of '06, most of the games have been relatively close. Even in the Johnson era, and the interim year before Franklin took over, the games were fairly close. And it's not because Vandy was much better than normal during that period, but more because we were in a long downward spiral over the last decade that took us to the level of Vanderbilt. We haven't even been much better than UK during that same period.

11/24/2012 vs. Kentucky (2-10) W 37 17
11/26/2011 @ Kentucky (5-7) L 7 10
11/27/2010 vs. Kentucky (6-7) W 24 14
11/28/2009 @ Kentucky (7-6) W 30 24
11/29/2008 vs. Kentucky (7-6) W 28 10
11/24/2007 @ Kentucky (8-5) W 52 50
11/25/2006 vs. Kentucky (8-5) W 17 12
11/26/2005 @ Kentucky (3-8) W 27 8

We are at the bottom of the SEC, and we arrived here before Butch arrived. Some of you guys should have insisted Hart hire Gandalf if you were expecting wizardry.
 
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red_air69 said:
6-6 regular season. Oh, and Alabama had no where near the last 4 years tennessee has has as far as turnover. Yes it sucks to lose to Vandy.... but that same Vandy team went into the Swamp and beat Florida and beat UGA. In the 1990's and most of 2000's Tennessee, Florida, and UGA always decided the SEC east. Every Vol hates him but Franklin is one Hell of a coach. I can't believe what he has done and he will be gone next season and Vandy will go back to being Vandy.

By the way, I have a Driod for a phone and if I type in "Bama" it auto corrects me to "Obama". Just saying... my phone even knows.

Go Vols!
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They went 6-6 and lost to LA Monroe!
WE HAD A BRUTAL SCHEDULE THIS YEAR, YET PEOPLE THOUGHT COMING OFF A 5-7 SEASON EXPECTING US TO CONTEND FOR THE EAST. ME INCLUDED. HOWEVER NO ONE EXPECTED VANDY, MISSOURI, AUBURN, TO BE WORTH A CRAP BUT THOSE TEAMS ARE A COMBINED 27-6. IT WAS UNREALISTIC ON MY PART TO THINK WE COULD WIN 8 WITH THAT SCHEDULE PLUS INJURIES TO AN ALREADY DEPTH-TEAM. IF WE CONTINUE TO RECRUIT TOP 5-10 CLASSES UNDER CBJ, THEN WE WILL RETURN, AND MY PREDICTION NOW IS 2015 & 2016 WHEN WE SHOULD BE CONTENDING SERIOUSLY AGAIN! IT'S NEVER ACCEPTABLE TO LOSE TO CANDY!

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TENNESSEEDUKE
 
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I'm so tired of the Saban references. This happens every year we underperform. "Oh yeah, well look what Nick Saban did his first year at Alabama." What Nick Saban did has no bearing on what Butch Jones has done or will do.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I like to compare Jones first year at Cincinnati

2009- 12-1 (Kelly)
2010- 4-8 (Jones)

With basically the same team minus Pike

Hmmm!!!
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Nice try, however........a few little things called facts totally ruin your pathetic attempt to bash BJ.

The offense lost 5 senior starters including the QB , WR, TE, LT and a center......sound familiar at all?

The defense lost 6 senior starters including a DT, DE, MLB, SLB, CB and a Free safety.

I guess losing 11 starters is basically the same team in some people's eyes......of course I'm assuming they have never opened them.

Get a clue.
 
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KingtUT said:
Nice try, however........a few little things called facts totally ruin your pathetic attempt to bash BJ.

The offense lost 5 senior starters including the QB , a WR, and a TE......sound familiar at all?

The defense lost 6 senior starters including a DT, DE, MLB, SLB, CB and a Free safety.

I guess losing 11 starters is almost basically the same team in some people's eyes......of course I'm assuming they have never opened them.

Get a clue.
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9-2
 
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red_air69 said:
Oh man I offended someone on Volnation...imagine that.

You guys need to chill. Please tell me why this hurts you so bad to read.
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no one likes logic man. At the end of the day, most people like saying how bad every concept of their team sucks and they dont want to do anything but blame the people that are trying to make it work. These type never look at anything but the Ws and Ls. Im just hope they dont apply this to everyday life or their screwed.
 
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CountVolcula said:
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If you think the Saban reference is so dumb you need to better understand why ppl use it. The best coach in the nation had a below average first yr @ Alabama, then proceeded to improve his team from the first season to the second and improved to 12-2. Alabama did not fire him for the 6-6 season, and there no way he could prove they would be 12-2 the next season before it happened. So let the cake bake before you taste it and decide it doesnt taste good. No one knows if Jones has what it takes at this level with actual SEC talent at hand, so wait and see instead of complaining about being a follower of the vols. Thats your type of people's choice, no one is twisting your arm telling you to be. It wouldnt be a big deal if people just said "well, we blew it" but some of you on these threads go into deep hatred for the vols and their coaches? why? such a waste? Save your time:peace2:
 
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SGMVols said:
Dude...everyone knew Saban was going to turn it around in Tuscaloosa. Did you forget he already had a national championship before he even got there?

All Jones has to hang his hat on are 2 MAC titles (with Brian Kelly's players) and 2 fake Big East "championships" (also with Brian Kelly's players). His only saving grace is that he's following the worst hire in SEC history, so his resume looks like Bear Bryant in comparison.
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Wouldnt call the Big East Championships being Kelly's. Wasnt like Butch did it year one. Guess Saban won his with Shula's players and Urban won his with Zook's players. Or Chizzik won his with Tubby's players.
 
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BigTCountry said:
If you think the Saban reference is so dumb you need to better understand why ppl use it. The best coach in the nation had a below average first yr @ Alabama, then proceeded to improve his team from the first season to the second and improved to 12-2. Alabama did not fire him for the 6-6 season, and there no way he could prove they would be 12-2 the next season before it happened. So let the cake bake before you taste it and decide it doesnt taste good. No one knows if Jones has what it takes at this level with actual SEC talent at hand, so wait and see instead of complaining about being a follower of the vols. Thats your type of people's choice, no one is twisting your arm telling you to be. It wouldnt be a big deal if people just said "well, we blew it" but some of you on these threads go into deep hatred for the vols and their coaches? why? such a waste? Save your time:peace2:
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9-2 is Tubbervilles record with a new staff, new offense, and same players at Cincinnati

All this talk about he needs his players, its a new scheme, and any other excuses why we have underperformed after the USC game is exactly that.....Excuses
 
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CountVolcula said:
9-2 is Tubbervilles record with a new staff, new offense, and same players at Cincinnati

All this talk about he needs his players, its a new scheme, and any other excuses why we have underperformed after the USC game is exactly that.....Excuses
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I'll give your excuse a try........Tuberville is doing it with Butch Jones' players.

Tuberville follows a coach that knew what he was doing, Butch Jones followed Dooley. Nough said.
I guess it doesn't work in this case though does it? :crazy:

You really make this too easy.
 
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9-2 is Tubbervilles record with a new staff, new offense, and same players at Cincinnati

Just goes to show you how much easier it is to win your first season when the previous regime left you a solid foundation...and an easier schedule. And he has basically just held serve at Cincy since the Bearcats were 9-3 Butch's last season.

All this talk about he needs his players, its a new scheme, and any other excuses why we have underperformed after the USC game is exactly that.....Excuses

Then explain why so many very good coaches - which includes NC winners Saban, Spurrier, and Holtz - were unable to take their new programs forward their first year. I remember Saban himself saying after his first season at Bama that he was going to have to weed out the culture of the previous regime. You can call the realities of the situation at UT "excuses" all you want, but if there were no "excuses" then guys like Saban and Spurrier should be able to walk into any situation and show immediate improvement. Saban was able to do it in year 2 once he weeded out the culture there, as well as the players who were not willing to commit 100% to his process, because he had the athletes to do it. It took Spurrier much longer because he simply didn't have the athletes. There is no magic potion.
 
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red_air69 said:
6-6 regular season. Oh, and Alabama had no where near the last 4 years tennessee has has as far as turnover. Yes it sucks to lose to Vandy.... but that same Vandy team went into the Swamp and beat Florida and beat UGA. In the 1990's and most of 2000's Tennessee, Florida, and UGA always decided the SEC east. Every Vol hates him but Franklin is one Hell of a coach. I can't believe what he has done and he will be gone next season and Vandy will go back to being Vandy.

By the way, I have a Driod for a phone and if I type in "Bama" it auto corrects me to "Obama". Just saying... my phone even knows.

Go Vols!
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big difference was that satan had an NC already and everybody knew he could coach. with jones we don't have that or i would be a lot more patient
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
9-2 is Tubbervilles record with a new staff, new offense, and same players at Cincinnati

Just goes to show you how much easier it is to win your first season when the previous regime left you a solid foundation...and an easier schedule. And he has basically just held serve at Cincy since the Bearcats were 9-3 Butch's last season.

All this talk about he needs his players, its a new scheme, and any other excuses why we have underperformed after the USC game is exactly that.....Excuses

Then explain why so many very good coaches - which includes NC winners Saban, Spurrier, and Holtz - were unable to take their new programs forward their first year. I remember Saban himself saying after his first season at Bama that he was going to have to weed out the culture of the previous regime. You can call the realities of the situation at UT "excuses" all you want, but if there were no "excuses" then guys like Saban and Spurrier should be able to walk into any situation and show immediate improvement. Saban was able to do it in year 2 once he weeded out the culture there, as well as the players who were not willing to commit 100% to his process, because he had the athletes to do it. It took Spurrier much longer because he simply didn't have the athletes. There is no magic potion.
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One very important part of the puzzle is a returning starter at QB. We don't have that luxury and to rub it in we are playing a true freshman.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Just goes to show you how much easier it is to win your first season when the previous regime left you a solid foundation...and an easier schedule. And he has basically just held serve at Cincy since the Bearcats were 9-3 Butch's last season.
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Kind of like how Butch Jones "just held serve" for Brian Kelly built teams? Well, except for that time he went 4-8...

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Then explain why so many very good coaches - which includes NC winners Saban, Spurrier, and Holtz - were unable to take their new programs forward their first year.
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Actually, Saban and Spurrier each won 1 more game in their first year than their predecessors. That means they did move forward (not sure why Holtz is included. Does anyone ever say, "we want our coach to have the kind of success that Lou Holtz did at South Carolina!" Talk about aiming low).
 
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