Path to a #1 seed

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Sudden Impact said:
A 2 seed is better if we end up with a 1 Seed out West because of the location and the draw. This is the year that a 1 Seed is not the best choice for us if it is across the country.
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Without seeing the final bracket, a 1 seed in theory gets an easier sweet 16 game if the rankings hold true as it’s 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
You seem like a good dude from the posts over read of yours over the years but you’re moving goalposts on this one. No one is talking about winning a championship right now.
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I misjudged how close we still are to getting a #1 seed however UT is currently tied for 6th in the conference so I think there is no way a team that is tied for 6th in the conference gets a #1 seed. We are 1 1/2 games back and it would probably take going undefeated to finish top 3 regardless of what Lunardi says. The SEC is getting 2 to 3 one seeds depending on how we beat each other up. Duke seems close to locking up a #1 seed. Houston is competing as well. I just don't think the committee will be justified giving a #1 seed to UT if it finishes below 3rd.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I misjudged how close we still are to getting a #1 seed however UT is currently tied for 6th in the conference so I think there is no way a team that is tied for 6th in the conference gets a #1 seed. We are 1 1/2 games back and it would probably take going undefeated to finish top 3 regardless of what Lunardi says. The SEC is getting 2 to 3 one seeds depending on how we beat each other up. Duke seems close to locking up a #1 seed. Houston is competing as well. I just don't think the committee will be justified giving a #1 seed to UT if it finishes below 3rd.
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In principle I agree with your logic and think the odds are quite low to get a 1 seed without finishing top3 in conference play, but why are you choosing to dismiss 50% of the games played only because they weren’t against SEC teams? All games count
 
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walkenvol said:
In principle I agree with your logic and think the odds are quite low to get a 1 seed without finishing top3 in conference play, but why are you choosing to dismiss 50% of the games played only because they weren’t against SEC teams? All games count
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Many of these teams went undefeated or lost one game out of conference. I just think the seeding will be close and where you finish in the conference will matter more. If we close undefeated (5-0) there are probably enough things that have happened for us to be top 3 in the SEC.
 
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walkenvol said:
In principle I agree with your logic and think the odds are quite low to get a 1 seed without finishing top3 in conference play, but why are you choosing to dismiss 50% of the games played only because they weren’t against SEC teams? All games count
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Our ooc wasn’t particularly strong. Illinois has started to fall off a bit. Louisville has at least turned out to be decent though. Virginia, Syracuse and Miami turned out to be awful. Baylor is mediocre.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I misjudged how close we still are to getting a #1 seed however UT is currently tied for 6th in the conference so I think there is no way a team that is tied for 6th in the conference gets a #1 seed. We are 1 1/2 games back and it would probably take going undefeated to finish top 3 regardless of what Lunardi says. The SEC is getting 2 to 3 one seeds depending on how we beat each other up. Duke seems close to locking up a #1 seed. Houston is competing as well. I just don't think the committee will be justified giving a #1 seed to UT if it finishes below 3rd.
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Conference standings don’t matter anymore. Florida plays us, SC, and UGA in their home and homes. We play UF, UK, and Vandy. That’s a 3 game swing this year. With 14-18 team conferences and unbalanced schedules, the standings don’t matter. It’s who you play and who you beat.
 
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joevols89 said:
Our ooc wasn’t particularly strong. Illinois has started to fall off a bit. Louisville has at least turned out to be decent though. Virginia, Syracuse and Miami turned out to be awful. Baylor is mediocre.
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If you are comparing us to UF, UF’s was worse, and the numbers bear that out. Our wins at Louisville, Baylor, and at Illinois are all better than any non conference win they have.

All 3 are top 30 in the NET and KenPom.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Many of these teams went undefeated or lost one game out of conference. I just think the seeding will be close and where you finish in the conference will matter more. If we close undefeated (5-0) there are probably enough things that have happened for us to be top 3 in the SEC.
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It’s about who you beat though. I’m guess Florida got a slight bump because they beat Auburn. But we had the better non conference resume, and I don’t think it’s close.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I misjudged how close we still are to getting a #1 seed however UT is currently tied for 6th in the conference so I think there is no way a team that is tied for 6th in the conference gets a #1 seed. We are 1 1/2 games back and it would probably take going undefeated to finish top 3 regardless of what Lunardi says. The SEC is getting 2 to 3 one seeds depending on how we beat each other up. Duke seems close to locking up a #1 seed. Houston is competing as well. I just don't think the committee will be justified giving a #1 seed to UT if it finishes below 3rd.
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I get where you’re coming from. I agree we need to run the table, maybe go 4-1 with a little help.
 
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Some of you may disagree, but sometimes I think this is less scientific than you think.

So, I'll ask the following question. You're playing a neutral court game in Any town, USA. You can pick 4 squads that you think give you the best chance to win against anybody. Who ya got?
 
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VolGee4 said:
It’s about who you beat though. I’m guess Florida got a slight bump because they beat Auburn. But we had the better non conference resume, and I don’t think it’s close.
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Ultimately we just have opinions on the topic. We'll see when they announce the field. We can secure it by winning.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Ultimately we just have opinions on the topic. We'll see when they announce the field. We can secure it by winning.
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You can have some opinions to a degree, but the numbers are the data. Other than beating Auburn and just one ahead in the NET, every other comparison essentially favors us.
 
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I feel that there is a strong possibility that the SEC will get 3 teams as 1 seed.
Aub is a lock and the other two will play out with 2 coming from Fla,, A&M, Vols, Bama in that order.

Because of scheduling, I think Bama is a longshot and I think a 1 seed could come down to the Vols vs A&M game.
 
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Tenn is indeed still in the running for a 1 seed, according to Lunardi… We definitely need to finish the season strong, and one more L to Bama or FL, will definitely put us back on the 1 line…

Florida has an easier schedule, then Tenn, and Alabama…. I really like our chances if we can get a Win at A&M… Conference standings doesn’t matter, I remember when we won SEC championship a few years ago, and still got a 2 seed…

Ima speak it in existence and say this team will get a 1 seed and be the first for the program!
 
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VolGee4 said:
You can have some opinions to a degree, but the numbers are the data. Other than beating Auburn and just one ahead in the NET, every other comparison essentially favors us.
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Favors us against who? Florida has 3 losses in the SEC. We have 5. You're right the numbers are the data. If I was a Florida fan instead of a UT fan I'd have to feel good. They are currently projected as a #1 seed.

Meanwhile we were swept by a team that is currently .500 in the SEC and was missing two starters both games.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I misjudged how close we still are to getting a #1 seed however UT is currently tied for 6th in the conference so I think there is no way a team that is tied for 6th in the conference gets a #1 seed. We are 1 1/2 games back and it would probably take going undefeated to finish top 3 regardless of what Lunardi says. The SEC is getting 2 to 3 one seeds depending on how we beat each other up. Duke seems close to locking up a #1 seed. Houston is competing as well. I just don't think the committee will be justified giving a #1 seed to UT if it finishes below 3rd.
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Fortunately the selection committee doesn’t take into consideration where you finish in your league standings - especially in a 16-team league where 9 of the 16 teams are ranked in the top 25. According to the committee right now we are #5 in the country regardless of our position in the SEC. A #1 seed is there for the taking.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Favors us against who? Florida has 3 losses in the SEC. We have 5. You're right the numbers are the data. If I was a Florida fan instead of a UT fan I'd have to feel good. They are currently projected as a #1 seed.

Meanwhile we were swept by a team that is currently .500 in the SEC and was missing two starters both games.
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That team is also #10 in the country according to the committee, proving that conference placement doesn’t matter.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Favors us against who? Florida has 3 losses in the SEC. We have 5. You're right the numbers are the data. If I was a Florida fan instead of a UT fan I'd have to feel good. They are currently projected as a #1 seed.

Meanwhile we were swept by a team that is currently .500 in the SEC and was missing two starters both games.
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Seriously? I spelled out why they can have more wins. Their schedule is easier. It’s called an unbalanced schedule. It’s not hard to understand why one team can be ahead in the conference standings- just like Indiana in football. With 14-18 teams in a conference, everyone plays a different schedule.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Seriously? I spelled out why they can have more wins. Their schedule is easier. It’s called an unbalanced schedule. It’s not hard to understand why one team can be ahead in the conference standings- just like Indiana in football. With 14-18 teams in a conference, everyone plays a different schedule.
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I'm just curious if you are on the committee? Florida plays an SEC schedule just like the Vols. Your reference to Indiana is irrelevant because we know Indiana made the playoffs. Fair or unfair. You bring up the Indiana argument but the same can be applied to SEC football schedules.

I understand your optimism. After looking at it there appears to be a path for the Vols. I think we would have to win out. A regular season loss and I think we are a #2 seed with as many teams ahead in the SEC.

I will say if they bump down Alabama a few spots it could tell us the committee thinks a lot of movement is left to be decided which would be good.
 
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@Texas A&M is a big oppurtunity up ahead. It's a game that we don't have to have unless we truly want a 1 seed. Buzz schemed up a defense that shut us down last year, like really bothered us and bottled up Knecht and Ziegler. We need to somehow overcome that and their crowd which spooked us as well
 
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BreatheUT said:
I'm just curious if you are on the committee? Florida plays an SEC schedule just like the Vols. Your reference to Indiana is irrelevant because we know Indiana made the playoffs. Fair or unfair. You bring up the Indiana argument but the same can be applied to SEC football schedules.

I understand your optimism. After looking at it there appears to be a path for the Vols. I think we would have to win out. A regular season loss and I think we are a #2 seed with as many teams ahead in the SEC.

I will say if they bump down Alabama a few spots it could tell us the committee thinks a lot of movement is left to be decided which would be good.
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Florida plays South Carolina and UGA TWICE. 2 of the last 4 in the standings, and Carolina is by far the worst team in the metrics. That affects Florida’s schedule. I don’t understand how others shrug at this.

Also, in football, Indiana had just as many losses as Penn State and were seeded 10th because their schedule mattered. Just “making the playoff” is irrelevant. Indiana avoided 7 of the other top 8 eight teams in their conference. Aside from Ohio Stare and Michigan, they all had losing records. That matters. You can’t say they just played a Big Ten schedule when the other conference teams played tougher schedules.

The same is applied to SEC football schedules. UGA played a much tougher one than us.

I’m not basing it on optimism. It’s common sense.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I'm just curious if you are on the committee? Florida plays an SEC schedule just like the Vols. Your reference to Indiana is irrelevant because we know Indiana made the playoffs. Fair or unfair. You bring up the Indiana argument but the same can be applied to SEC football schedules.

I understand your optimism. After looking at it there appears to be a path for the Vols. I think we would have to win out. A regular season loss and I think we are a #2 seed with as many teams ahead in the SEC.

I will say if they bump down Alabama a few spots it could tell us the committee thinks a lot of movement is left to be decided which would be good.
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Bama lost to the only team ahead of them. They aren’t moving unless they keep losing.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Florida plays South Carolina and UGA TWICE. 2 of the last 4 in the standings, and Carolina is by far the worst team in the metrics. That affects Florida’s schedule. I don’t understand how others shrug at this.

Also, in football, Indiana had just as many losses as Penn State and were seeded 10th because their schedule mattered. Just “making the playoff” is irrelevant. Indiana avoided 7 of the other top 8 eight teams in their conference. Aside from Ohio Stare and Michigan, they all had losing records. That matters. You can’t say they just played a Big Ten schedule when the other conference teams played tougher schedules.

The same is applied to SEC football schedules. UGA played a much tougher one than us.

I’m not basing it on optimism. It’s common sense.
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I concede that you make a strong case.
 
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I will say one thing that I think most of the board can agree on. If the SEC is going to be the best or second best basketball conference in America moving forward.....then, the NCAA needs to look at tournament sites in the future and skew them more toward SEC country.

God forbid, Duke or North Carolina actually play first round games outside the state of North Carolina even if they are a high seed. Just once, I'd like to see #1 seed Duke in a circumstance where the closest location to their campus was Birmingham.

So, Nashville, Memphis, New Orleans, Birmingham, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Dallas, Houston, Charleston . Some of these cities seem generally reserved for Final Fours. It doesn't have to be that way. Two of these type of locations should be annual first round locations moving forward. No reason there should be a tournament site in Wichita, KS or Providence, RI. And by the way, if you can put the tournament in Providence, RI, add Jackson, MS as a tourney location

And with the death of the Pac 12, maybe it's time to think about doing away with a "West Region". Call it East Coast bias, but it doesn't make sense. How many teams West of Denver are making the tournament this year?
 
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