Spence "informally" offered OC job

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#152
UT4EVER said:
I am sure they played a big role but, IMO, the following had more to do with EB coming to Kville....

"Berry’s trip to Knoxville for the Tennessee-Florida game on September 17, 2006 was not his first. As a matter of fact, his first trip to Neyland had been as a young boy, with his father James, who was a four-year letterman, three-year starter, and one-year captain while playing for Tennessee from 1978 to 1981. The elder Berry (!) had been a teammate of John Chavis’ and a player under Fulmer when Fulmer was a lowly assistant. While he’d spent time in Dallas playing for the Cowboys, he remained faithful to the Vols, watching them every week."
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That's kinda my point. Trooper starting the wheel in motion and Fulmer closed on it. Cut had very little to do with it. All he was doing was telling Berry what he wanted to hear.
 
#153
#153
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Cut's part was significantly smaller than what you are making it appear to be. Also, what position on offense was Ben Martin supposed to play since Cut was his primary recruiter?? Cut's not an avid recruiter of anyone unless it is his QB's. Martin is an exception to the rule though.
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I never said he was the guy that brought Berry here. I'd put that one on Eric's father. You basically said Cutcliffe has recruited three guys in two years. I simply pointed out that is not true.

We mainly recruit based on region, which is why Cutcliffe recruited Martin.

Cutcliffe has been an SEC head coach. He has spent time recruiting every position on the field.
 
#154
#154
g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's kinda my point. Trooper starting the wheel in motion and Fulmer closed on it. Cut had very little to do with it. All he was doing was telling Berry what he wanted to hear.
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I think you and I could have closed that deal with his father being a 4 year letterman at UT.....
 
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#155
oklavol said:
Not if they are only a position coach, like QB, and not the OC. Or how about the OC at a smaller school like Boise St or Utah. They are ranked top 10 assistants in the country.
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You seem to be operating on a pretty shaky assumption. Many "perennial" top 10 schools and supposedly impressive mid-majors would absolutely fold in the SEC.

USC for instance would probably be the last place to look... witness Orgeron. They're used to having the best players three deep all the time.

Somewhere like Boise St would be even worse. They and Hawaii had the two weakest strength of schedules in the country.

I also wouldn't look to the ACC. If another conference is the source then I'd say CUSA, Sunbelt, or Big12. Similar styles and similar levels of competition (though that's a recent development for the B12).

Unless they can attract Marrone or Brown... this is a tougher nut than many might have imagined... should give some insight into what would undoubtedly be more difficult if CPF were sent packing.

Malzahn is probably the only OC that I know of that UT should look at that would listen... and I don't like his meager experience.
 
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#156
UT4EVER said:
I think you and I could have closed that deal with his father being a 4 year letterman at UT.....
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I don't understand how someone can be so quick to give Trooper Taylor credit for Eric Berry coming to Knoxville, but at the same time say that David Cutcliffe's contribution was meaningless.
 
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#157
kptvol said:
I never said he was the guy that brought Berry here. I'd put that one on Eric's father. You basically said Cutcliffe has recruited three guys in two years. I simply pointed out that is not true.

We mainly recruit based on region, which is why Cutcliffe recruited Martin.

Cutcliffe has been an SEC head coach. He has spent time recruiting every position on the field.
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What does that have to do with recruiting?? I guess you just don't understand Cut then. He is an extremely intelligent mind, but recruiting is not where he excels. He's a QB developer and offensive analyst, not an in-home dishwasher like Fulmer. I'm sure that Cut will have his hands in it more at Duke, but his assistants will do more with it than he will. That's one reason Matt Luke is leaving to go with him. A cozy job as recruiting coordinator awaits him if I am not mistaken.
 
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#158
kptvol said:
I don't understand how someone can be so quick to give Trooper Taylor credit for Eric Berry coming to Knoxville, but at the same time say that David Cutcliffe's contribution was meaningless.
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I'm not saying Cut didn't have a contribution, just saying that contribution was about 5-10% of what was used to get the job done. :good!:
 
#159
#159
kptvol said:
I don't understand how someone can be so quick to give Trooper Taylor credit for Eric Berry coming to Knoxville, but at the same time say that David Cutcliffe's contribution was meaningless.
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I think I have been misunderstood...... I was refering to another post with my opinion the EB's father had A LOT to do with him being at UT..... I am not giving credit nor discounting anyone on our coaching staff with my statement.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
What does that have to do with recruiting?? I guess you just don't understand Cut then. He is an extremely intelligent mind, but recruiting is not where he excels. He's a QB developer and offensive analyst, not an in-home dishwasher like Fulmer. I'm sure that Cut will have his hands in it more at Duke, but his assistants will do more with it than he will. That's one reason Matt Luke is leaving to go with him. A cozy job as recruiting coordinator awaits him if I am not mistaken.
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Most of that was irrelevant. Cutcliffe has recruited more than three guys in the last two years. End of story.
 
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#161
UT4EVER said:
I think I have been misunderstood...... I was refering to another post with my opinion the EB's father had A LOT to do with him being at UT..... I am not giving credit nor discounting anyone on our coaching staff with my statement.
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I got what you were saying. I was agreeing with you.
 
#162
#162
The thing that impressed me about Cut was his professionalism. He was weak in two areas at Ole Miss- politics with the power players and recruiting. He's made recognizable efforts to improve in both areas.

I'm not saying he approaches CPF... but Martin did mention Cutcliffe personally as a factor in his decision. He spent time in the homes of both Berry and Jones and both mentioned him.
 
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#163
sjt18 said:
The thing that impressed me about Cut was his professionalism. He was weak in two areas at Ole Miss- politics with the power players and recruiting. He's made recognizable efforts to improve in both areas.

I'm not saying he approaches CPF... but Martin did mention Cutcliffe personally as a factor in his decision. He spent time in the homes of both Berry and Jones and both mentioned him.
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Evidently those guys don't understand Cutcliffe the way g8terh8ter does.
 
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#164
kptvol said:
Most of that was irrelevant. Cutcliffe has recruited more than three guys in the last two years. End of story.
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:eek:lol::eek:lol:

Do you understand recruiting?? Here's alittle light for you. When you recruit a player, you have a primary recruiter. Which in Eric Berry's case was Trooper Taylor. Then you have a secondary recruiter, which I have been led to believe is Fulmer. After that, it's just everyone talking to the player and letting them get familiar with the staff. So you can say that almost all the coaches have a hand in it, but only one or two have much to do with it at all. Why do you think Cut has only been the primary of 4 players in the past 2 years??
 
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#165
g8terh8ter_eric said:
:eek:lol::eek:lol:

Do you understand recruiting?? Here's alittle light for you. When you recruit a player, you have a primary recruiter. Which in Eric Berry's case was Trooper Taylor. Then you have a secondary recruiter, which I have been led to believe is Fulmer. After that, it's just everyone talking to the player and letting them get familiar with the staff. So you can say that almost all the coaches have a hand in it, but only one or two have much to do with it at all. Why do you think Cut has only been the primary of 4 players in the past 2 years??
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I think it's pretty clear to anyone that reads the last few pages that I understand it at least better than you.
 
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#166
kptvol said:
Evidently those guys don't understand Cutcliffe the way g8terh8ter does.
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I understand why he isn't involved in recruiting the way some of our coaches are. He just doesn't have the personality that the other guys do for one, and two it's not something he just has an uncanny ablility to do. Cutcliffe's ability to groom QB's maybe the best pitch he has to give people. Other than that, he just let's the other coaches get him the players with the talents he sets for them to get.
 
#167
#167
Cutcliffe is a horrible, lazy, bum of a recruiter. Coincidentally, he's the only reason that the #1 recruit in the country was considering UT.
 
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#168
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I understand why he isn't involved in recruiting the way some of our coaches are. He just doesn't have the personality that the other guys do for one, and two it's not something he just has an uncanny ablility to do. Cutcliffe's ability to groom QB's maybe the best pitch he has to give people. Other than that, he just let's the other coaches get him the players with the talents he sets for them to get.
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I've posted on VN probably over 100 times that I don't think Cutcliffe is a great recruiter. That said, he still has recruiting duties at UT. Kids that come here want to talk to the offensive coordinator. You can give guys like Trooper, Luke, or whichever other coach that has a small amount of real responsibility the title of primary recruiter. That way Cutcliffe has time to do some actual coaching. In the end, though, Cutcliffe is going to have to spend a little time with each offensive recruit.
 
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#170
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Nick Stephens, Chris Smelley, BJ Coleman, and Ben Martin are the only players Cut has recruited since returning to the hill.
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Can anyone agree with this? For how many guys is Phil Fulmer listed as their primary recruiter? I guess old Phil is just not a very good recruiter.
 
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#174
kptvol said:
Can anyone agree with this? For how many guys is Phil Fulmer listed as their primary recruiter? I guess old Phil is just not a very good recruiter.
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I don't think that Fulmer has been the primary of anyone I can recall of in recent memory. Fulmer is the closer, and a good one he is.
 
#175
#175
I guess I need to explain myself better for you KPT. I should have said "actively recruiting" instead of just "recruiting". I can see now where you have misunderstood me.
 
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