Sports Illustrated Reports A Rod...

#76
#76
nickknx865 said:
In a word, yes. He's been tested around 8-10 times since then, all of them coming up clean. Even at the WBC, he was blood tested, and it came back clean.

Now, there are some things I fail to believe, like when he says "I didn't know what I was putting in my body", when the steroid he was taking is illegal in the US, and there's about a 0% chance that a false positive would come of that.
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i am not saying he is necessarily is still using. but if you work out with weights for a long time and then all of a sudden stop lifting you will still reap the benifits from the work you have put forth long after. i just don't know how much of the usage he did partake in has benifited his production after he quit using. this may not be the case, because i have not used roids but i have worked out for a long time in the past and still reap the benifits long after i was unable to lift anymore. i just find it hard to believe that roids only benfited him during the time he took them, but that they have helped his production since. we just don't know the level of usage and all of the intricate details yet.
 
#77
#77
blupotato said:
i am not saying he is necessarily is still using. but if you work out with weights for a long time and then all of a sudden stop lifting you will still reap the benifits from the work you have put forth long after. i just don't know how much of the usage he did partake in has benifited his production after he quit using. this may not be the case, because i have not used roids but i have worked out for a long time in the past and still reap the benifits long after i was unable to lift anymore. i just find it hard to believe that roids only benfited him during the time he took them, but that they have helped his production since. we just don't know the level of usage and all of the intricate details yet.
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While true, with steroids, your gains go away about a month or two after you stop using.
 
#78
#78
nickknx865 said:
While true, with steroids, your gains go away about a month or two after you stop using.
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yes, but he has not stopped working out and lifting. i don't have the personal experience to properly analyze how long this particular type of steroids benifits you after you use them. but i have seen guys use for a few cycles and quit. then they still work out and get much larger than they would have had they been clean the whole time. i see the roids as an unnatural boost that helps elevate beyond your body's original capabilities. i am not trying to argue with you by any means, but merely trying to rationalize the benifits of his usage. if the roids turn off like a switch after a month or two of quitting than that is a different story. like i said i have not used them so i am not entirely sure.
 
#80
#80
I'm with Papa, I think A-Rod is full of crap. I understand why he did and in his situation none of us can judge him. Not one of us. We have no idea the pressure these guys are under. However, A-Rod sitting in that interview saying he was glad it came out and the truth will set you free and all the garbage is ridiculous. There ain't a chance in hell he is ever admitting or coming out and saying anything unless this news comes out. Never. He would have played out his years, continued to deny that he ever did anything an always was clean and it would have been end of story...now he just looks like an idiot...
 
#81
#81
Here's the deal. Professional athletes are the last real "heroes" maybe in a mythical sense, that we have left. We hold them in such high regard, but forget they are human like everyone else, and just can't believe when they make a mistake or do something to tarnish our visions of them. The bottom line for me is, I DON'T CARE. I don't. If players want to use steroids and HGH, fine. It doesn't bother me one bit. They are only hurting themselves. It's not hurting the game, in my opinion. What brought baseball back to prominence? The home run race of 1998 between Sosa and McGwire was amazing, and brought many people back into their living rooms to follow two Herculean efforts that haven't been seen in our lifetimes. And both Sosa and McGwire were (alleged) PED users. What about Bonds? Sure, he's not a media a**kisser, but the guy was sure fun to watch. Every at bat was subject to entertainment for baseball fans as he shot for McCovey Cove. A-Rod, fun to watch. Sorry for the long rant, but I really don't care if professional athletes use or not, but it was much more fun not knowing. The media is running it into the ground.
 
#82
#82
orangetanker11 said:
Here's the deal. Professional athletes are the last real "heroes" maybe in a mythical sense, that we have left. We hold them in such high regard, but forget they are human like everyone else, and just can't believe when they make a mistake or do something to tarnish our visions of them.
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Speak for yourself. I view them as entertainers - nothing more, nothing less.
 
#86
#86
Bonds and A-Rod are HOF's if they never touch the stuff. McGwire and Sosa not so much. That's my feeling of who should be in.
 
#87
#87
VOLinthaATL said:
Bonds and A-Rod are HOF's if they never touch the stuff. McGwire and Sosa not so much. That's my feeling of who should be in.
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On stats alone, all 4 are in.

McGwire: 12 Time All Star
-Home runs: 583
-Runs batted in: 1414

Sosa: 7 Time All Star
-Home runs: 609
-Runs batted in: 1667

Bonds: 14 Time All Star
-Home runs: 762
-Runs batted in: 1996

Rodriguez: 12 Time All Star
-Home runs: 553
-Runs batted in: 1606

Pretty good numbers, wouldn't you say?
 
#88
#88
It's funny how at one point everyone believed the finger waggin Palmeiro, no one believed the publicity hungy Canseco, and A-Rod was considered the "clean" savior of the game. Ohh how things have changed.
 
#90
#90
Dan LeBatard makes a good point. People seem to be OK with the government behaving immorally and journalists behaving immorally so they can nail players for behaving immorally.
 
#92
#92
orangetanker11 said:
Here's the deal. Professional athletes are the last real "heroes" maybe in a mythical sense, that we have left. We hold them in such high regard, but forget they are human like everyone else, and just can't believe when they make a mistake or do something to tarnish our visions of them. The bottom line for me is, I DON'T CARE. I don't. If players want to use steroids and HGH, fine. It doesn't bother me one bit. They are only hurting themselves. It's not hurting the game, in my opinion. What brought baseball back to prominence? The home run race of 1998 between Sosa and McGwire was amazing, and brought many people back into their living rooms to follow two Herculean efforts that haven't been seen in our lifetimes. And both Sosa and McGwire were (alleged) PED users. What about Bonds? Sure, he's not a media a**kisser, but the guy was sure fun to watch. Every at bat was subject to entertainment for baseball fans as he shot for McCovey Cove. A-Rod, fun to watch. Sorry for the long rant, but I really don't care if professional athletes use or not, but it was much more fun not knowing. The media is running it into the ground.
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i see what you are saying, but i don't want to see a guy who used roids like bonds near the end of his career or a-rod who used roids in his prime be considered the homerun champ or even be in top of the record books. not because i don't like them, but because you don't know if what they did was realistic. Hammerin' Hank did not use roids as far as we know and he played the game right.

so is it ok for these guys who did not earn the numbers the right way to be considered better players than guys who did it entirely clean? if this is the case than i see no credibility to the hof. why should they even vote anyone else in? i understand the whole entertainment aspect, because in a sense that is what all sports were meant to be. but i just don't want to see guys who cheat get off clean and be allowed to be put on an even higher pedestal than guys who had long careers playing the right way just because they were more fun to watch.

bonds and a-rod would have been sure locks for the hof had they never touched roids like others have said. but the fact that they did use them skews their production. and if it is now ok to cheat at the game than we might as well not even keep records anymore.

and your right the media has driven this in to the ground and has treated baseball players differently than football players. but i do not ever want my kid to grow up idolizing cheaters just because it is entertaining to watch.

this was not exactly directed at what you were saying, but i was just trying to piggy back on some of your points.:)
 
#93
#93
GAVol said:
Dan LeBatard makes a good point. People seem to be OK with the government behaving immorally and journalists behaving immorally so they can nail players for behaving immorally.
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Of course they are. Joe Fat Arse sitting in his ratty recliner perusing his minute unemployment check hates athletes for having a skill that is actually valued in our economy.
 
#94
#94
orangetanker11 said:
On stats alone, all 4 are in.

McGwire: 12 Time All Star
-Home runs: 583
-Runs batted in: 1414

Sosa: 7 Time All Star
-Home runs: 609
-Runs batted in: 1667

Bonds: 14 Time All Star
-Home runs: 762
-Runs batted in: 1996

Rodriguez: 12 Time All Star
-Home runs: 553
-Runs batted in: 1606

Pretty good numbers, wouldn't you say?
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McGwire was on the juice 50+ percent of his time in the league...no HOF

Take a look at Sosa's number's before 98 and then 98 and beyond...
 
#95
#95
VOLinthaATL said:
McGwire was on the juice 50+ percent of his time in the league...no HOF

Take a look at Sosa's number's before 98 and then 98 and beyond...
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i'll actually agree with his statement. If I just looked at the stats, I'd put all four in, even Swingin Sammy. Baseball truly was very, very good to him. However, once I bring the roids factor in, I hesitate to put any of them. Perhaps A-Rod. If he can up big numbers the next five years, he might get my vote.
 
#96
#96
VOLinthaATL said:
McGwire was on the juice 50+ percent of his time in the league...no HOF

Take a look at Sosa's number's before 98 and then 98 and beyond...
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Here's what I don't get, and if anybody has an explanation I would love to hear it....correct me if I'm mistaken, but the "steroids" they were taking were not banned substances AT THE TIME THEY USED THEM. So, why the fuss now? It's kind of like saying that all players now drink protein shakes and what not, but in 5 years it will be banned, so they would be considered cheaters.
 
#97
#97
The drugs for which A Rod tested positive require a prescription and he says he didn't know what he was taking, making it unlikely that he had a prescription for them. Banned and illegal are two different issues. The rule-makers couldn't and probably can't keep up with the "designer drugs" on the market in order to ban them, but if it is illegal to take them in the way they were taken which matters, the absence of a ban or the illegal use of the drug.
 
#99
#99
A Roid has destroyed his legacy. I was one of the millions who hoped he would break Bond's "HR" record, thinking he was clean and playing on God given talent. However, that will not happen and I was wrong. The players and MLB are both to blame for this fiasco, IMO. The League looked the other way because Sosa and McGuire were filling up the seats and had people watching in record numbers. The players wanted their privacy so they had the Union block all attempts at drug testing. I am still a fan, unless it is reported Maddux, Smoltz, or Chipper pop positive then I am done with MLB forever. I did hear a great point on the radio yesterday that I may follow up on and that is college baseball. Really did not get into until they reached Omaha, but now it may be worth checking out.
 
#100
#100
orangetanker11 said:
Here's what I don't get, and if anybody has an explanation I would love to hear it....correct me if I'm mistaken, but the "steroids" they were taking were not banned substances AT THE TIME THEY USED THEM. So, why the fuss now? It's kind of like saying that all players now drink protein shakes and what not, but in 5 years it will be banned, so they would be considered cheaters.
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Sorry but this is truly garbage. Taking and or possessing steroids is against FEDERAL law...this garbage about no rule against it drives me crazy...
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