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#101
#101
volfanbill said:
i'll actually agree with his statement. If I just looked at the stats, I'd put all four in, even Swingin Sammy. Baseball truly was very, very good to him. However, once I bring the roids factor in, I hesitate to put any of them. Perhaps A-Rod. If he can up big numbers the next five years, he might get my vote.
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But where is the line drawn?
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#102
#102
VOLinthaATL said:
Sorry but this is truly garbage. Taking and or possessing steroids is against FEDERAL law...this garbage about no rule against it drives me crazy...
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If it's federal law, then why is there even a banned substance list. Isn't that kind of redundant?
 
#107
#107
A-rod will still more than likely go down as the greatest player ever and the homerun king. Yes he did PED but the fact that he came out and admitted it will work for him in the long run, and the fact that since that test he's still put up great numbers and tested positive shows that he has the ability to do it on his own. I like some other people don't really care if they use them or not...i actually think it makes the game a little more entertaining. If i had a vote i would put A-rod and Bonds in first ballot and Pete Rose not being in is a shame but that's a different story.
 
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#108
VolBuck24 said:
A-rod will still more than likely go down as the greatest player ever and the homerun king. Yes he did PED but the fact that he came out and admitted it will work for him in the long run, and the fact that since that test he's still put up great numbers and tested positive shows that he has the ability to do it on his own. I like some other people don't really care if they use them or not...i actually think it makes the game a little more entertaining. If i had a vote i would put A-rod and Bonds in first ballot and Pete Rose not being in is a shame but that's a different story.
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Not in my book.
 
#115
#115
VolBuck24 said:
A-rod will still more than likely go down as the greatest player ever and the homerun king. Yes he did PED but the fact that he came out and admitted it will work for him in the long run, and the fact that since that test he's still put up great numbers and tested positive shows that he has the ability to do it on his own. I like some other people don't really care if they use them or not...i actually think it makes the game a little more entertaining. If i had a vote i would put A-rod and Bonds in first ballot and Pete Rose not being in is a shame but that's a different story.
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Not in many fans minds. Hank Aaron is still the homerun king at 755, and A-Rod will never be the greatest baseball player of all time. That would be reserved for one "Sultan of Swat".
 
#116
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nickknx865 said:
Not in many fans minds. Hank Aaron is still the homerun king at 755, and A-Rod will never be the greatest baseball player of all time. That would be reserved for one "Sultan of Swat".
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Whether you like it or not Barry Bonds is the homerun king at 762. :good!:
 
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VolBuck24 said:
Whether you like it or not Barry Bonds is the homerun king at 762. :good!:
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You're in the sizable minority with that statement. Sorry, but Hank hit his 755 homeruns, all clean. Babe Ruth hit 714 homeruns, most definitely, all clean. So, what gives Barry the right to claim American sports most sacred record, when he hit an unknown number of homeruns(estimated between 100-400 dirty) as a tainted player?

Here's what drives me nuts about Barry. He, like Alex(who at least admitted to it) didn't need to do it. Bonds would have been considered one of the top 15 players to ever play the game. Before he allegedly did steroids(around 2000 would be my guess, due to the numbers), he was NL Rookie of the Year, 1990 NL MVP, 1992 NL MVP, and 1993 NL MVP.

But, look at his numbers. They start to fall off around 1997-1999, and then in 2000, they shoot right back up, and in 2001, at the age of 36, he accomplishes the single season homerun mark.

Either way you look at it, his numbers are not natural, at least late in his career.

EDIT: Strike that Rookie of the Year statement. Todd Worrell was the overwhelming pick that year for ROTY.
 
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nickknx865 said:
You're in the sizable minority with that statement. Sorry, but Hank hit his 755 homeruns, all clean. Babe Ruth hit 714 homeruns, most definitely, all clean. So, what gives Barry the right to claim American sports most sacred record, when he hit an unknown number of homeruns(estimated between 100-400 dirty) as a tainted player?
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Because you have no way of proving that Aaron or Ruth or anyone else was clean. Ruth found every advantage he could and Aaron played during the prime of the greenie era. Like it or not Bonds is the HR king
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volfanbill said:
Because you have know way of proving that Aaron or Ruth or anyone else was clean. Ruth found every advantage he could and Aaron played dueing the prime of the greenie era. Like it or not Bonds is the HR king
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And bonds is probably the best player ever.
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BigPapaVol said:
But statistically, only Ruth is close.
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That depends on what stats you look at.

By average, Bonds isn't anywhere close. He's not even a .300 hitter.


Player H HR AVG RBI SB SLG OBP
Bonds 2935 762 .298 1996 514 .607 .444
Cobb 4189 117 .366 1937 892 .512 .433
Gehrig 2721 493 .340 1995 102 .632 .447
Ruth 2873 714 .342 2217 123 .690 .474
Mays 3283 660 .302 1903 338 .557 .384

Bonds played 22 seasons, Cobb 24, Gehrig 17, Ruth 22 and Mays 22.
 
#123
#123
volfanbill said:
That depends on what stats you look at.

By average, Bonds isn't anywhere close. He's not even a .300 hitter.


Player H HR AVG RBI SB SLG OBP
Bonds 2935 762 .298 1996 514 .607 .444
Cobb 4189 117 .366 1937 892 .512 .433
Gehrig 2721 493 .340 1995 102 .632 .447
Ruth 2873 714 .342 2217 123 .690 .474
Mays 3283 660 .302 1903 338 .557 .384

Bonds played 22 seasons, Cobb 24, Gehrig 17, Ruth 22 and Mays 22.
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I'm aware of the numbers and aware you left out runs, which is enormous. I don't think Bonds the best palyer ever, but he has the best argument. He generally did his on piss poor baseball teams with little lineup help and nobody to drive in. Him on a Yankees style squad would have been unbelievable.

By the by, I think the best was the Splinter.
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#124
runs:

bonds 2227
cobb 2246
gehrig 1888
ruth 2174
mays 2062

the only true outlier there is gehrig and he played 5 fewer seasons
 
#125
#125
volfanbill said:
runs:

bonds 2227
cobb 2246
gehrig 1888
ruth 2174
mays 2062

the only true outlier there is gehrig and he played 5 fewer seasons
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And finally, D, where Ruth suffers most.

Runs is amazing to me because bonds spent half his career on a team that didn't score.
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