UT will not get better

#77
#77
onevolfan said:
omg..why are you saying this? Is it because our coach, who just so happens to have not coached a game for us yet, did not get all of the 4 and 5 star players that were out there? Not to mention that he is our 4th coach in like 6 years. I can't believe those 4 and 5 star players were not beating down the doors to come here. For gosh sakes...give the man time!
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Again, where have I said anything bad or degraded Coach Jones?
 
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CountVolcula said:
He is one of the, if not the, reason we are in debt. He for so long, took money from the AD like it was a bank account without giving anything back

Thats why Hart had to beg for him to give back the 18 million to help with coaching salaries

UT AD was his own cash cow
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This is ridiculous.

The guy has only been chancellor since 2009. The AD was transferring money to the general fund when I was there 20 years ago.

Do you think that UT has amassed all of that debt since he got there? Further, there are many BCS schools carrying large debts. Not to mention that $200 million in debt against more than $100 million in annual revenues is not unfavorable at all. It's actually a healthy position.

I get that there are plenty of Cheek haters, but the thought that he is directly contributing to the failure of athletics needs SOMETHING to substantiate the claim.
 
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countvolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The ut admin above hart is not committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

butch jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without sec experience.

If ut is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with cheek

fire cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the ut ad than an atm
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smdh
 
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CountVolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek

Fire Cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the UT AD than an ATM
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The "like" meter is turning into a complete joke.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
This is ridiculous.

The guy has only been chancellor since 2009. The AD was transferring money to the general fund when I was there 20 years ago.

Do you think that UT has amassed all of that debt since he got there? Further, there are many BCS schools carrying large debts. Not to mention that $200 million in debt against more than $100 million in annual revenues is not unfavorable at all. It's actually a healthy position.

I get that there are plenty of Cheek haters, but the thought that he is directly contributing to the failure of athletics needs SOMETHING to substantiate the claim.
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you would think
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
What exactly is he doing to hurt the AD?
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the way it has been explained to me is the "hurt" are the constraints that the academic side is putting on the athletic side, under the guise of "raising academic standards." i'll try to paraphrase ...

one issue has to do with some grades from juco not being counted in the ut gpa. for a player on the brink it can make a difference.

a bigger issue revolves around the thornton center, which has to do with academic monitoring, tutoring, etc. currently control rests with the academic side, while many feel that it should be with the athletic side.

there also is apparently a lack of "athlete specific" majors, like "sports appreciation" or some such. basically a nothing degree for someone who is at ut to just play football.

all of these factors put a damper on the athletes that ut can recruit and keep, but more importantly they put a damper on the type of coach that ut can attract. coaches want autonomy.

count, i agree that buttcheek is part of the problem, but i'm just not sure that he is all of the problem. other villains may be hart, martin, jim haslam, gov haslam, and certainly hamilton did his share. if there is one root cause the fix may be relatively easy, if it is a hydra then it is more complicated.
 
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VFL44 said:
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This is almost beyond belief! We just went through terrible mismanagement with the firing of Fulmer (Mike Hamilton decesion), the hiring of a coach with no integrity (Mike Hamilton decesion), the hiring of a less than adequate coach (Mike Hamilton decesion) and finally get a new AD (Hart)who quite frankly inherited a mess. Hart hires a coach about two months ago who at least comes up with a top 20 recruiting class (see Rivals) and all the negavols are coming out of the woodwork.

Would some of you PLEASE let the man put a product on the field before you commit suicide. We have talent and yes we need more talent but you don't turn a program around in one year! Just give the man a chance!
 
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#85
Unfortunately I would suspect that all current coaches in the SEC.. Didn't have "SEC experience" at some point in time. they weren't all born and raised in the sec and only worked in the sec for their entire careers.... That statement gets old quick.
 
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GoVols15 said:
This is almost beyond belief! We just went through terrible mismanagement with the firing of Fulmer (Mike Hamilton decesion), the hiring of a coach with no integrity (Mike Hamilton decesion), the hiring of a less than adequate coach (Mike Hamilton decesion) and finally get a new AD (Hart)who quite frankly inherited a mess. Hart hires a coach about two months ago who at least comes up with a top 20 recruiting class (see Rivals) and all the negavols are coming out of the woodwork.

Would some of you PLEASE let the man put a product on the field before you commit suicide. We have talent and yes we need more talent but you don't turn a program around in one year! Just give the man a chance!
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National ranking doesn't mean a damn thing in the SEC.
 
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CountVolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek





I agree with you 100% my friend that Cheek needs to be fired instantly.

THINK harder though buddy....Name just 1 thing that a Liberal, academic, elitist has been put in charge of that's had great success...or any success at all for that matter.

Honest people can't name even 1 thing and that's a huge part of what's wrong with Tennessee football and our entire country unfortunately.

VFL...GBO!!!
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tm3 said:
. . . one issue has to do with some grades from juco not being counted in the ut gpa. for a player on the brink it can make a difference.
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Your GPA at UT is calculated based only on classes that you take at UT. This isn't a Cheek decision. It was that way when I went to school there 20 years ago.

Further the GPA mandate is from the SEC. 99% of the SEC-caliber players coming out of JUCO where only there because they couldn't get into a four-year school in the first place. If they didn't do anything to improve their academic position, why should they get in as a Jr.?

College is not for everyone, and despite what some at VolNation think, this is college football. Being a college student is part of the deal.

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. . . a bigger issue revolves around the thornton center, which has to do with academic monitoring, tutoring, etc. currently control rests with the academic side, while many feel that it should be with the athletic side.
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So a center built for the purpose of academics should be controlled by athletics? I wonder how the AD would feel if they put the dean of the business school in charge of the athletic budget?

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. . . there also is apparently a lack of "athlete specific" majors, like "sports appreciation" or some such. basically a nothing degree for someone who is at ut to just play football.
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It is not unreasonable to ask student athletes to offer at least a token effort to look like a college student. Any student pursuing "a nothing degree for someone who is at ut to just play football" is an offense to the many thousands who are working their cans off trying to earn a real degree with the hopes of bettering themselves.

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. . . all of these factors put a damper on the athletes that ut can recruit and keep, but more importantly they put a damper on the type of coach that ut can attract. coaches want autonomy.
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I am confident the academic demands on a student athlete at the University of Tennessee are quite comparable to most all BCS schools, and pale in comparison to others (who have kicked our butts in recent years).

Any coach who doesn't want to deal with the fact that this is COLLEGE football played by COLLEGE students should go coach in the NFL. But, most coaches know the rules and work within them just fine.

UT fell apart because Fulmer got complacent with his success. He also allowed his pride and loyalty to drive him to leave bad hires in places where they should have been removed. CPF's firing SERIOUSLY exposed the AD at the time, and the effects of hires that he made are obvious.

Fulmer's long tenure and an heir-apparent AD had UT resting on old-school laurels while the landscape of college football was changing around them. When things started coming apart, no one had a clue.

I've followed UT football all my life, and there have always been kids that couldn't get in school, flunked out or got in trouble and got kicked out. It's just that when you are winning, no one cares.
 
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CountVolcula said:
until a change is made at the very top. The UT admin above Hart IS NOT committed to winning.

We have to hope that we can succeed with what we have. If not, another coaching change in 3 years and another coaching search that ends up being sub-par

Butch Jones may turn out to be great, but who knows. This league is not friendly to coaches without SEC experience.

If UT is going to return to prominence, we have to have the winning attitude start at the top. Its not there with Cheek

Fire Cheek and get someone in that thinks more of the UT AD than an ATM
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Spot on.
 
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#90
I honestly believe some people around here would defend Adolph Hitler and would burn General George Patton at the stake.

Insanity runs rampant in America nowdays unfortunately.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
I honestly believe some people around here would defend Adolph Hitler and would burn General George Patton at the stake.

Insanity runs rampant in America nowdays unfortunately.

VFL...GBO!!!
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I always thought that one of the anchors of conservatism was to have thoughtful, well-formed opinions based on the facts as you know them. I just want to see the facts.

I also think things like responsibility, accountability and integrity matter. How liberal of me.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
Your GPA at UT is calculated based only on classes that you take at UT. This isn't a Cheek decision. It was that way went I went to school 20 years ago.

Further the GPA mandate is from the SEC. 99% of the SEC-caliber players coming out of JUCO where only there because they couldn't get into a four-year school in the first place. If they didn't do anything to improve their academic position, why should they get in as a Jr.?

College is not for everyone, and despite what some a VolNation think, this is college football. Being a college student is part of the deal.



So a center built for the purpose of academics should be controlled by athletics? I wonder how the AD would feel if they put the dean of the business school in charge of the athletic budget?



It is not unreasonable to ask student athletes to offer at least a token effort to look like a college student. Any student pursuing "a nothing degree for someone who is at ut to just play football" is an offense to the many thousands who are working their cans off trying to earn a real degree with the hopes of bettering themselves.



I am confident the academic demands on a student athlete at the University of Tennessee are quite comparable to most all BCS schools, and pale in comparison to others (who have kicked our butts in recent years).

Any coach who doesn't want to deal with the fact that this is COLLEGE football played by COLLEGE students should go coach in the NFL. But, most coaches know the rules and work within tham just fine.

UT fell apart because Fulmer got complacent with his success. He also allowed his pride and loyalty to drive him to leave bad hires in places where they should have been removed. CPF's firing SERIOUSLY exposed the AD at the time, and the effects of hires that he made are obvious.

Fulmer's long tenure and an heir-apparent AD had UT resting on old-school laurels while the landscape of college football was changing around them. When things started coming apart, no one had a clue.

I've followed UT football all my life, and there have always been kids that couldn't get in school, flunked out or got in trouble and got kicked out. It's just that when you are winning, no one cares.
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Rational post is rational. Nice work.
 
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#93
We'll have to see. I think people are reading to much into the recruits right now. There are a ton of 2, 3, and 4 star kids that play on Sunday. To be honest, most of the SEC coaches got there start somewhere else. Just last month Louisville handed the Gators there arse down at the Sugar Bowl. Not bad for a guy with no head coaching experience in the SEC. Just sayin be patient, we have a coach with a winning record.
 
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Cheek came to UT in March 2009. The UTAD came under the auspices of the Chancellor in the summer of 2010. August, to be exact.

The current decline of UT football began in the 2nd half of the SECCG in 2001 when Mike Mauck made our defense his personal beyotch.
 
#98
#98
I agree Cheek needs to go. He has been an adversary to our AD since coming here. There also needs to be a change in mindset over there. While facilities are nice, championships are won by coaches. I have never understood the philosophy of paying hundreds of millions to have some of the best facilities in the nation, only to get squeamish about paying out to bring in the most integral part, top notch coaches. No indictment on CBJ, just the overall philosophy of the university.
 
#99
#99
The only part of your post i agree with is "Fire Cheek".

If the boosters want to run a football program without the UT part, they will need to pay a license fee for the use of the Trademark "T", the phrases "Big Orange" and "Rocky Top", and the playing of the fight songs, and of course, need to pay rent on the use of 1 Neyland Stadium, Gibbs Hall, and the practice Facilities at Haslam field. Those totals should not be overlooked and are more evidence that many of the vocal boosters understand how the whole "College Athletics" thing is supposed to work.

I know that you're a moderator and all, and I'm NOT attacking you personally, i'm just frustrated that people don't value UT Academics and don't feel the need to contribute to the whole program and not just the "Orange" part.

Brian

:EDIT: I edited my original post to clarify a few points and to be slightly less inflamatory.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
I always thought that one of the anchors of conservatism was to have thoughtful, well-formed opinions based on the facts as you know them. I just want to see the facts.

I also think things like responsibility, accountability and integrity matter. How liberal of me.
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:good!:
 
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