UT will not get better

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Way off topic here, but I'd like to ask a favor. I can not create a new thread, because I do not yet have 100 posts. Could one of y'all create a thread asking the following question: "Which NFL team do you support and why?"

I'm just really curious which NFL teams VFLs support. Thanks in advance!
 
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Haphazard Harm said:
Way off topic here, but I'd like to ask a favor. I can not create a new thread, because I do not yet have 100 posts. Could one of y'all create a thread asking the following question: "Which NFL team do you support and why?"

I'm just really curious which NFL teams VFLs support. Thanks in advance!
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Colts for 15 years..

..now a broncos fan.
 
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We should have broke the bank (Gruden) or sold our soul (Petrino) when we were going through a coaching change. It may have looked bad, but these are desperate times. It's nothing against Coach Jones, but his chances of being successful are a coin flip at best. When Alabama was this desperate they did something about it. We flipped a coin.
Also, we need to bring Bruce back too.
 
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rich4pres said:
We should have broke the bank (Gruden) or sold our soul (Petrino) when we were going through a coaching change. It may have looked bad, but these are desperate times. It's nothing against Coach Jones, but his chances of being successful are a coin flip at best. When Alabama was this desperate they did something about it. We flipped a coin.
Also, we need to bring Bruce back too.
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So we bankrupt the program on a gamble and hire a coach that has never coached in college in his history outside of a GA position. Or we should have hired a scum bag that would have divided the fan base even more. Pearl isn't coming back and frankly I don't want him back. He screwed up and blew it. We can find another coach if we need one.
 
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mreed90 said:
So we bankrupt the program on a gamble and hire a coach that has never coached in college in his history outside of a GA position. Or we should have hired a scum bag that would have divided the fan base even more. Pearl isn't coming back and frankly I don't want him back. He screwed up and blew it. We can find another coach if we need one.
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If you think Gruden is more of a gamble than Butch Jones than I don't know what to tell you. As for Petrino, nothing unites people that are divided more than winning. One ten win season and Petrinos past troubles would never be brought up again. As for finding another basketball coach if we need one, I think that is easier said than done. In my lifetime (35 years) I have only seen one good Tennessee basketball coach. Just one.
 
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rich4pres said:
If you think Gruden is more of a gamble than Butch Jones than I don't know what to tell you. As for Petrino, nothing unites people that are divided more than winning. One ten win season and Petrinos past troubles would never be brought up again. As for finding another basketball coach if we need one, I think that is easier said than done. In my lifetime (35 years) I have only seen one good Tennessee basketball coach. Just one.
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Gruden makes 4 mil a year working 6-10 hrs per week August thru December. If he wanted back in coaching he'd be in Philly or Dallas right now. You need to come to grips with the fact that he wasn't holding out for the UT job at any price.

As for Petrino...he's damn lucky to have WKU.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
I am confident the academic demands on a student athlete at the University of Tennessee are quite comparable to most all BCS schools, and pale in comparison to others (who have kicked our butts in recent years).


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i don't work on the hill, but the factoids i recited are presented by some who do as in fact being different from our SEC competition, and as putting UT at a competitive disadvantage.

might be a lie, i don't know -- surely those carrying the orange mantle would never stray from the truth, would they?
 
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tm3 said:
i don't work on the hill, but the factoids i recited are presented by some who do as in fact being different from our SEC competition, and as putting UT at a competitive disadvantage.

might be a lie, i don't know -- surely those carrying the orange mantle would never stray from the truth, would they?
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I suppose there will always be varying degrees of academic standards within the conference. Obviously, Vandy plays by a different set of rules than the state schools. If UT is inching its way toward the other side of the curve, I see that as a great thing. Tennesseans should be excited about improving the academic prowess of our university.

But, how much is it really affecting recruiting? Are there guys going to Alabama or Georgia that really wanted to go to UT and couldn't get in?

And, it might help in some cases. Did you watch the CBJ presser from yesterday? He talked a lot about the QB and how the engineering school helped in his recruitment.

To sum it up, I'll just say that I have no stomach whatsoever for watering down the academics at UT for purpose of getting a few extra football players on the team.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
I suppose there will always be varying degrees of academic standards within the conference. Obviously, Vandy plays by a different set of rules than the state schools. If UT is inching its way toward the other side of the curve, I see that as a great thing. Tennesseans should be excited about improving the academic prowess of our university.

But, how much is it really affecting recruiting? Are there guys going to Alabama or Georgia that really wanted to go to UT and couldn't get in?

And, it might help in some cases. Did you watch the CBJ presser from yesterday? He talked a lot about the QB and how the engineering school helped in his recruitment.

To sum it up, I'll just say that I have no stomach whatsoever for watering down the academics at UT for purpose of getting a few extra football players on the team.
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You make a valid point and I respect it although I disagree with it.

If those within the system say that the academic structure puts them at a competitive disadvantage, I am inclined to believe them although I realize that it may simply be excuse making.

As far as the "student athlete," I see that as an anachronism. As the state university UT has a to be a lot of things to all of the taxpayers. Like it or not, one big role is being part of the mega million dollar entertainment industry and a part of the NFL screening system. Of course the athletes should be offered and encouraged to take advantage of the educational opportunity, but requiring a DT to go chem lab makes about as much sense as having an English lit student do wind sprints.

If UT wants to play Ivy League, go ahead and turn the premium seating renovation into study halls and play football with the Sewanees of the world. But if UT wants to challenge the big boys in the premier conference, don't give away any competitive advantages.
 
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KBVol said:
Cheek and the adversarial acamedicians are problematic. Gotta have faith that Hart is doing his job and making some changes. Otherwise I think Butch is a good hire - time will tell
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Hart is as much of the problem as Cheek.
 
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therealitytheory said:
Gruden makes 4 mil a year working 6-10 hrs per week August thru December. If he wanted back in coaching he'd be in Philly or Dallas right now. You need to come to grips with the fact that he wasn't holding out for the UT job at any price.

As for Petrino...he's damn lucky to have WKU.
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If you think he works only 6-10 hours/week for 5 months out of the year, you need to come to grips with some things as well.

Hart and Cheek didn't want Gruden or large-scale booster involvement in the hire. If you disagree, go back and look how much money Cheek "gave" Hart for a coach. Then, look at how much we are paying that coach. Coincidence? I don't think so.
 
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#114
OP is right on.



Bring in Fulmer as AD... That would be step in the right direction, IMO. The man knows what football means at UT and would know how to deal with academic nerds ruining football.
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
OP is right on.



Bring in Fulmer as AD... That would be step in the right direction, IMO. The man knows what football means at UT and would know how to deal with academic nerds ruining football.
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Fulmer as AD would be a good move no question. But would he accept?
 
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BoseefusTheVol said:
OP is right on.



Bring in Fulmer as AD... That would be step in the right direction, IMO. The man knows what football means at UT and would know how to deal with academic nerds ruining football.
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I agree that Dave Hart can't be removed soon enough. Other than that.....I would like to see Blackburn as AD myself.
 
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JayVols said:
I like you.
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Thanks man, the feeling is mutual :) We must have not butt heads before lol I seem to pi zz off a lot of people by telling them like it is. They dont want to hear it and crucify you for saying anything negative. Just like Count..the guy didnt say something rosey for once and the guy actually has to ask him.."whats wrong count..never seen you on negative side. Well, guess what people, there are a ton of negatives with this program right now. Quit being such "strawberries & champagne" fans!
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
Thanks ma, the feeling is mutual :) We must have not butt heads before lol I seem to pi zz off a lot of people by telling them like it is. They dont want to hear it and crucify you for saying anything negative. Just like Count..the guy didnt say something rosey for once and the guy actually has to ask him.."whats wrong count..never seen you on negative side. Well, guess what people, there are a ton of negatives with this program right now. Quit being such "strawberries & champagne" fans!
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I think the world of Count, but Lord knows we haven't always seen eye-to-eye. Still, I think he's a good dude. Divergent views are good things to be discussed not mocked.
 
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JayVols said:
If you think he works only 6-10 hours/week for 5 months out of the year, you need to come to grips with some things as well.

Hart and Cheek didn't want Gruden or large-scale booster involvement in the hire. If you disagree, go back and look how much money Cheek "gave" Hart for a coach. Then, look at how much we are paying that coach. Coincidence? I don't think so.
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You Grudenites get more pathetic as time goes on.

love your avatar ::snicker::
 
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#125
i really wish these tricky thread titles would go away. just put what the actual thread is about without falsely eluding to some other agenda.
 
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