Vaccine or not?

[BigOrangeMojo]

And yet you can’t prove it.
Just like the flat earthers

Insurance companies and follow the money. Not like I've been saying that for 4 years...

 

[Orangeslice13]

Insurance companies and follow the money. Not like I've been saying that for 4 years...

It’s amazing, honestly.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You might be on to how some of these studies work?

Understanding peer review - Author Services

Find out how the peer review process works and how you can use it to ensure every article you publish is as good as it can be.

authorservices.taylorandfrancis.com

 

[NurseGoodVol]

This article was written in 22. At that time ic claimed 78 studies were “promising “ for the treatment of covid 19 with ivermectin.

Here’s one from the list I picked at random.

Yet another study shows little benefit for ivermectin with COVID-19

The observed median time to first recovery was 14 days in the ivermectin group and 15 in the usual-care group.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

It concluded the ivermectin should not be used to treat covid 19.
Or…..
Overall, these findings, while evidencing a small benefit in symptom duration, do not support the use of ivermectin as treatment for COVID-19.

Guess what the other 3 I checked said.

You realize that ivermectin is a protease inhibitor which prevents viral replication. 5 days into symptoms it’s had 5 days to do its damage and replicate unhindered in vitro. Ivermectin does not undo damage caused by 5 days of viral replication.
Launching a study of ivermectin after 5 days is the closing of the gate after the horse is outta the barn and junk science at its best. I see people are still falling for this.
Ivermectin used at first symptoms does very well.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Same people questioning ivermectin are fine with Tamiflu and Paxlovid....

@kiddiedoc you familiar with risks especially among kids and Tamiflu? Auditory hallucinations and other psychoactive reactions in teens? I am curious as to how aware pediatricians are with the side effects. Because while they seem to know general practioners still seem to be okay with it. I also have noted my kids pediatrician is the one doctor who did question the MRNA Vaxx. He has even commented on teh fact how amazed he was that other dr's were okay with a vaccine being pushed trhough so quickly for kids, when tehy would not even ok much less evasive ones for years because they hadn't had long enough trials. ....why is it peditricians seem to see through the pharma propoganda more?

The Tamiflu fiasco and lessons learnt - PMC

Oseltamivir (Tamiflu), a neuraminidase inhibitor, was approved for seasonal flu by US Food and Drug Administration in 1999. A number of randomized controlled trials, systematic reviews, and meta-analysis emphasized a favorable efficacy and safety ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Never hear about this one on the news however.....just Ivermectin.....a drug used safely for 50 years....

Personally, I've seen a few kids with some behavioral changes on Tamiflu, but never hallucinations. Symptoms have always resolved immediately on cessation. I've never prescribed Paxlovid, as my patients have never been at enough appreciable risk to justify the use of a relatively unproven medication.

Sounds like your kids' doc and I would get along fine.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ex-CNN Host Chris Cuomo Reveals COVID Vaccine Injury: "I'm Sick Myself" | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

“We know that vaccines can have unintended consequences, AKA side effects, but nobody’s really talking about it because they’re too afraid of blame, and they just want it to go away,” Mr. Cuomo said. “But the problem is people like Shaun—and me—and millions of others who still have weird stuff with their bloodwork and their lives and their feelings—you know, physically—are not going away,” he added.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You realize that ivermectin is a protease inhibitor which prevents viral replication. 5 days into symptoms it’s had 5 days to do its damage and replicate unhindered in vitro. Ivermectin does not undo damage caused by 5 days of viral replication.
Launching a study of ivermectin after 5 days is the closing of the gate after the horse is outta the barn and junk science at its best. I see people are still falling for this.
Ivermectin used at first symptoms does very well.

Gee if only someone would have done a study on time then this would be resolved. Wait, they have, and it still doesn’t work. Ivermectin used at the beginning of onset of symptoms does nothing to shorten the duration of symptoms.
You realize that every time someone tries to prove ivermectin works in the treatment of Covid 19 they have failed, right?
All these smart people saying the things you say do a double blind study and———it doesn’t work.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Gee if only someone would have done a study on time then this would be resolved. Wait, they have, and it still doesn’t work. Ivermectin used at the beginning of onset of symptoms does nothing to shorten the duration of symptoms.
You realize that every time someone tries to prove ivermectin works in the treatment of Covid 19 they have failed, right?
All these smart people saying the things you say do a double blind study and———it doesn’t work.

I totally understand your point, and your assessment of the majority of available studies is correct. However, there are many people (and many who are very smart) who believe the studies are tainted. There is a laundry list of examples in the history of medical literature, and this was a unique time in medicine.

As I've said before, and yes it is anecdotal, but between myself, family members, and several colleague friends, I have witnessed enough rapid improvement following early ivermectin treatment to not accept it as coincidence. I was 90% better in 24 hours with my second infection. Nobody grew a tail or developed an unexpected affinity for apples, either.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I totally understand your point, and your assessment of the majority of available studies is correct. However, there are many people (and many who are very smart) who believe the studies are tainted. There is a laundry list of examples in the history of medical literature, and this was a unique time in medicine.

As I've said before, and yes it is anecdotal, but between myself, family members, and several colleague friends, I have witnessed enough rapid improvement following early ivermectin treatment to not accept it as coincidence. I was 90% better in 24 hours with my second infection. Nobody grew a tail or developed an unexpected affinity for apples, either.

That’s why we have the peer review process.
I have no problem with the rest of your post.
People should trust their drs and make their own decisions.

Again my point or problem isn’t with the drug. It’s the accusation that some big bad boogieman is trying to prevent its use. That is absolutely false. The insurance industry went out of their way to see if it was the solution.

 

[hUTch2002]

Dbl blind
Passed reviews
You’ve got an abundance of people who ran studies trying to prove it works…..and they couldn’t. There is no difference in side effects between vaccinated and unvaccinated.
If it works it should be able to be demonstrated. If there was a problem it would be in the data. Insurance companies are not covering for big pharmaceutical.
Smfh

Hey Slice, if there’s no difference in side effects and we already know the shot doesn’t prevent the spread, why get the shot? I’m sure you’ve explained that previously, I just can’t keep up with posts as well as others on here so my apologies for likely asking you to repeat yourself.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Moderna Posts $1.2 Billion Loss as Sales of COVID-19 Vaccine Plunge 94 Percent

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[Orangeslice13]

Hey Slice, if there’s no difference in side effects and we already know the shot doesn’t prevent the spread, why get the shot? I’m sure you’ve explained that previously, I just can’t keep up with posts as well as others on here so my apologies for likely asking you to repeat yourself.

My wife is a cancer survivor and high risk.
On advice from our infectious disease Dr we got the first shot and booster. After that she still recommended we get the shot but we elected not to as the effectiveness of the shot was diminishing as was the severity of the disease.

I have no idea how effective the current shot is as Covid has devolved into nothing more than the common cold. But that brings us back to ….everyone should consult a dr they trust and make their own decisions. Let’s just be honest about what is happening.


For example, insurance companies are currently reporting that they have paid out on side effects from COVID at the same rate as side effects from the covid vaccine.
That’s clearly not a scientific study but it’s absolutely a sign that there needs to be one. We have people walking around thinking they’re in no danger because they never took the vaccine but the reality appears to be that they are just as likely to suffer side effects as those who took the vaccine and should have themselves checked as well.

 

[Jxn Vol]

That’s why we have the peer review process.
I have no problem with the rest of your post.
People should trust their drs and make their own decisions.

Again my point or problem isn’t with the drug. It’s the accusation that some big bad boogieman is trying to prevent its use. That is absolutely false. The insurance industry went out of their way to see if it was the solution.

As someone who has been adjacent to medical studies and data collection, the process can be manipulated. I personally do not trust anything in the form of a paper or study that came out in or around the Covid era. The medical community lost its mind and abandoned its training. Folks with common sense and reason were called crazy and have been vindicated as time has progressed.

Sorry if I have offended face diaper wearers that are still maintaining that 6 foot safe space.

 

[Orangeslice13]

As someone who has been adjacent to medical studies and data collection, the process can be manipulated. I personally do not trust anything in the form of a paper or study that came out in or around the Covid era. The medical community lost its mind and abandoned its training. Folks with common sense and reason were called crazy and have been vindicated as time has progressed.

Sorry if I have offended face diaper wearers that are still maintaining that 6 foot safe space.

The boogie man is strong.
And yes a lot of studies trying to prove ivermectin were trash.
Peer review works when all sides are represented in the process as they were here.

 

[Jxn Vol]

The boogie man is strong.
And yes a lot of studies trying to prove ivermectin were trash.
Peer review works when all sides are represented in the process as they were here.

The boogie man got people fired, suspended, ridiculed, shot injured, etc.
A study can be manipulated by a variety of factors. Timing of the study is one way to mold a study into a particular conclusion. The good nurse on here was keen to that variable and pointed it out.
You can make anything look a certain way on paper.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The boogie man got people fired, suspended, ridiculed, shot injured, etc.
A study can be manipulated by a variety of factors. Timing of the study is one way to mold a study into a particular conclusion. The good nurse on here was keen to that variable and pointed it out.
You can make anything look a certain way on paper.

First part is irrelevant to this discussion. There is no evil puppet master controlling things.

And the peer review process solves all the conspiracy nonsense of paper manipulation. There is literally 100s of studies on this ran by every imaginable side of the debate.

It’s pretty conclusive regardless of the perceived biases.

 

[Jxn Vol]

First part is irrelevant to this discussion. There is no evil puppet master controlling things.

And the peer review process solves all the conspiracy nonsense of paper manipulation. There is literally 100s of studies on this ran by every imaginable side of the debate.

It’s pretty conclusive regardless of the perceived biases.

The first part is relevant. Check out what’s on the WHO agenda at July’s meeting if you don’t think there are evil entities out there. Vaccine passports, mandatory isolation, etc.

The peer review process is not bulletproof. The good nurse in this thread highlighted this. If the time variable is not considered then the conclusion may show a certain outcome that may or may not align with reality.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The first part is relevant. Check out what’s on the WHO agenda at July’s meeting if you don’t think there are evil entities out there. Vaccine passports, mandatory isolation, etc.

The peer review process is not bulletproof. The good nurse in this thread highlighted this. If the time variable is not considered then the conclusion may show a certain outcome that may or may not align with reality.

Again not what I said.
There are stupid people.
They may inconvenience you at times. (Don’t give a **** if it’s more than at times to you. Again irrelevant to my point)

There is no master of puppets and there are enough studies to show every possible difference and draw an accurate conclusion in this case.

You’re welcome to believe that nothing is knowable if you like.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I suspect if the studies were favorable to your position that you’d suddenly think they were solid, as would I.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Again not what I said.
There are stupid people.
They may inconvenience you at times. (Don’t give a **** if it’s more than at times to you. Again irrelevant to my point)

There is no master of puppets and there are enough studies to show every possible difference and draw an accurate conclusion in this case.

You’re welcome to believe that nothing is knowable if you like.

I disagree completely that there is no "master of puppets" involved. There was very good science from Europe (and China, if you believed it) demonstrating that kids were never at risk. What did we do? Shut down schools, sports, and various forms of exercise and extracurricular. Ivermectin is an effectiveness and extremely-safe human medication, and within 24 hours, everyone was calling it "horse paste." I have copies of Fauci emails that discuss Gain of Function and that virus "did not appear consistent with a natural process," yet he told the American people that it was a natural recombination and that he knew nothing of GOF research.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I disagree completely that there is no "master of puppets" involved. There was very good science from Europe (and China, if you believed it) demonstrating that kids were never at risk. What did we do? Shut down schools, sports, and various forms of exercise and extracurricular. Ivermectin is an effectiveness and extremely-safe human medication, and within 24 hours, everyone was calling it "horse paste." I have copies of Fauci emails that discuss Gain of Function and that virus "did not appear consistent with a natural process," yet he told the American people that it was a natural recombination and that he knew nothing of GOF research.

Yes some places went tyrannical to use the “pandemic “ to push an agenda.
So who’s the puppet master. Name the person that was giving orders to all these people around the world so they would know how to proceed. Actually don’t.
I don’t care if anyone called it horse paste. That would not stop me from taking it for anything it is effective in treating.

The fact remains that it has been proven by an abundance of studies that it doesn’t work. At one point every pro ivermectin pod cast was chirping about the super study funded by a volunteer group. It was finally going to prove once and for all the truth about ivermectin. Then they all shut up all at once. Why? Because the super pro ivermectin study concluded it doesn’t work.

Sometimes bad things are done for political reasons. If we want people to listen to the truth about tyrannical government behavior then we can’t go tinfoil hat on common sense.

Ivermectin doesn’t work in the treatment of covid 19 and it wasn’t suppressed.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Mask mandates-wrong
Vaccine mandate wrong
Ivermectin-doesn’t treat Covid 19

All those things can be and are true at the same time

 

[hUTch2002]

My wife is a cancer survivor and high risk.
On advice from our infectious disease Dr we got the first shot and booster. After that she still recommended we get the shot but we elected not to as the effectiveness of the shot was diminishing as was the severity of the disease.

I have no idea how effective the current shot is as Covid has devolved into nothing more than the common cold. But that brings us back to ….everyone should consult a dr they trust and make their own decisions. Let’s just be honest about what is happening.


For example, insurance companies are currently reporting that they have paid out on side effects from COVID at the same rate as side effects from the covid vaccine.
That’s clearly not a scientific study but it’s absolutely a sign that there needs to be one. We have people walking around thinking they’re in no danger because they never took the vaccine but the reality appears to be that they are just as likely to suffer side effects as those who took the vaccine and should have themselves checked as well.

Thanks. I’m 100% with you that each should choose what’s right for them. I don’t care what someone else does. I didn’t get the shot and never thought masks worked but I don’t care if someone did those things or still does those things. There could be all kinds of reasons people wear a mask these days so I’m not going to presume I know why someone does.

It’s always interesting to me to hear different thoughts on why someone chose this vs that or how Covid affects this person vs that one. There are definitely some underlying themes, such as obesity leading to a rougher Covid experience, but even that isn’t true in every case. Anyway, thanks for sharing and I hope your wife is doing well.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Again not what I said.
There are stupid people.
They may inconvenience you at times. (Don’t give a **** if it’s more than at times to you. Again irrelevant to my point)

There is no master of puppets and there are enough studies to show every possible difference and draw an accurate conclusion in this case.

You’re welcome to believe that nothing is knowable if you like.

Nurse pointed out the flaw. Feel free to continue with the cranial-rectal inversion.

Studying the effects of bug killer on a house after a termite infestation can show that it doesn’t work. But it’s all about the timing. On paper you can make it look a certain way. I’ve seen this done countless times in healthcare. It’s not hard to do.

You are welcome to continue to believe every study is factual and draw whatever conclusion you want. Enjoy your shot study group. That long term data will roll in at some point.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Enjoy your shot study group. That long term data will roll in at some point.

I'm holding my breath for the honest, non-biased analyses.