What's everyone's obsession with Josh Dobbs?

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fade route said:
How on earth do you know that?? We have 4 QBs and only 1 has played a down of college football. It floors me how people will post their personal opinion as if its a well known fact even though there's absolutely nothing to back it up.
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You new here? :p
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Tennessee could not win the national title with Peyton Manning. Enter Tee Martin to center stage. My opinion is that you need a running QB to win a national championship. The pocket passers are few and far between on national championship teams since Tennessee won in '98. It's like playing golf without a driver in the bag.
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Really? Does Alabama know this?
 
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VolBraniac said:
The only black QB in UT history that might, not was, but might have been considered less athletic was Jerry Colquitt. He lasted one game with a severe knee injury in '94 his 5th yr but at no time was there ever any excitement that this 5th year Senior was a superior athlete.
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Colquitt was beaten out by a superior white athlete- Heath Shuler... who fits in well athletically with the other names you mention but just happens not to be black.

FWIW, I met Jimmy Streater and knew/played against one of his younger brothers.
 
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Burger said:
Brett Favre! Screw it and throw an 80 mph bullet. It would be exciting as heck to watch.
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I agree, as long as his head is as strong as his arm. I just keep having flashbacks of Bray imploding during the Gruden interview.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Tennessee could not win the national title with Peyton Manning. Enter Tee Martin to center stage. My opinion is that you need a running QB to win a national championship. The pocket passers are few and far between on national championship teams since Tennessee won in '98. It's like playing golf without a driver in the bag.
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Your opinion is completely unsupported by facts. Pocket passing QBs have won 10 of the 15 national championships in the BCS era.
 
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Guys, I have no opposition to a dual-threat quarterback whatsoever and I have fond memories of what Tee accomplished as well. However, let's be realistic and compare Peyton's senior stat sheet with Tee's junior year.

In 1997, Peyton led us to a SEC championship and was 287-477-11 for 3819 yds. and 36 tds.

In 1998, Tee was 153-267-6 for 2164 yds. and 19 tds. As best I recall, he ran for around 300 yds. that year.

Nevertheless, when you compare QB production from 1997 to 1998, you lose almost 1700 yds. and 17 tds. through the air. Tee didn't make up the difference with yardage he gained running.

What was the difference in terms of overall team performance? A strong running game that, in 1998, posted an SEC-best 211.3 ypg (most of which was provided by Travis Henry, Travis Stephens and Jamal Lewis), and a defense, led by the iron-willed Al Wilson, that gave up only 189 points (in 13 games), compared to the '97 team which yielded 286 points (Tennessee Historical Scores). Overall scoring for Tennessee was virtually identical, 431 points in '98, compared to 428 in '97. In short, a stout defense and hardnosed running game has always been and remains a winning formula in the SEC.
 
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Smokefatty said:
Your opinion is completely unsupported by facts. Pocket passing QBs have won 10 of the 15 national championships in the BCS era.
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Wait a minute? There are "pocket passing" quarterbacks who can run. The 10 you mention did not have lead in their shoes. We are not talking about a QB running a run oriented offense. We are talking a pocket passer who can get out of trouble and turn a loss into a gain. What kind of dopes are you?
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Wait a minute? There are "pocket passing" quarterbacks who can run. The 10 you mention did not have lead in their shoes. We are not talking about a QB running a run oriented offense. We are talking a pocket passer who can get out of trouble and turn a loss into a gain. What kind of dopes are you?
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This is your third post, and you're already calling people dopes? You should fit in real well around here.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Not gonna get into the race debate I gotta disagree with Tee's scrambling ability. He was a fantastic scrambler.
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I would say that Tee was a smart scrambler. i don't think that he was the most athletic QB ever, but he knew when to scramble, when to throw it away or when to find somebody.
 
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the QB that shows the most promise in the fall practice will be the starter. i doubt that it will be either of the freshmen, but its possible. my guess is that it will be either Worley or Peterman. the spring game gave us a warped view of the QB's because of the no contact rule. they were calling it a sack whenever a defender brushed a qb's shoulder. that made it very hard on them imo. i want to see how well they can evade the pressure and then make the throw or scramble. i would say on the scramble side that Peterman has the advantage. he seemed very mobile at the spring game. Worley is a little taller and will probably look to throw it before running. its just hard to tell until they are in a more realistic practice or a real game.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
If Butch runs what he did at Cincy, I want a QB that is able to run. We're not gonna pick apart the SEC with that offense using QBs like Case Keenum and Graham Harrell. See Colt Brennan vs. Georgia for confirmation.
Although I do like the fact Jones is very committed to the run. Very refreshing.
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Colt Brennan from Hawaii 2007 is the best you got? If you really knew anything about CBJ offense you would know that he has always been at least 60/40 run over pass. Teams like Hawaii, Houston, Texas Tech (under Harrell) were 80/20 pass over run. This is not and never has been CBJ's offense.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Wait a minute? There are "pocket passing" quarterbacks who can run. The 10 you mention did not have lead in their shoes. We are not talking about a QB running a run oriented offense. We are talking a pocket passer who can get out of trouble and turn a loss into a gain. What kind of dopes are you?
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You were the one that distinguished between "running QBs" and "pocket passers" in your post, dope. Now you're changing the argument. McCarron has a career rushing total of -28 yards. He's not mobile no matter how you try to spin it. Neither was McElroy with his 71 career yards rushing....dope.
 
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phantomvol said:
i know i'm gonna get hammered for this,but we won a NC with a mobile qb,and couldn't win one with arguably the best pocket passer in NCAA history......not saying Martin was even in Peyton's class but I could care less how good of pro they become.....I want a qb that wins at UT.....bottom line!!!!
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Florida beat Tennessee and won the 96 national championship with crazy legs Danny Wuerffel at QB. The 1999 team had more talent then any team Peyton played on and lost 3 games with Tee Martin at QB. Teams win and lose games not QB's.

btw, UT won more games during Peyton Manning's career then any other time in UT history so I would say he won at UT.
 
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Smokefatty said:
You were the one that distinguished between "running QBs" and "pocket passers" in your post, dope. Now you're changing the argument. McCarron has a career rushing total of -28 yards. He's not mobile no matter how you try to spin it. Neither was McElroy with his 71 career yards rushing....dope.
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Jay Barker couldn't run either if you go back their last title.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Not gonna get into the race debate I gotta disagree with Tee's scrambling ability. He was a fantastic scrambler.
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Sorry. I'm trying to do the opposite and say color doesn't have anything to do with ability one way or another. As to Tee's scrambling... I remember his perfect passes and his ability to get away when needed to but he wasn't a Johnny Manziel type either.

This (below) is closer to how I'd describe Tee:

BleedingOrangeFan said:
I would say that Tee was a smart scrambler. i don't think that he was the most athletic QB ever, but he knew when to scramble, when to throw it away or when to find somebody.
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I'm late to the party so I assume this has already been mentioned, but my guess is most people correlate his offer list filled with prestigious universities, his GPA, and his chosen degree (aeronautical engineering?) with his football IQ. This combined with his obvious all around athleticism (plays baseball too) and "the new guy" effect has garnered much popularity, at least on this forum.
 
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Vols4us said:
Anybody that thinks a true freshman QB that is not an EE is going to win a starting job in fall camp of an SEC school not named Kentucky has rocks for brains. Don't buy into their hype. If it happens at UT, then you know for sure the progam has hit an all time low.
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You mean our 4th all time low (in recent history)...Peyton Manning, Casey Clausen, Brent Schaffer/Erik Ainge...

I'm not sure if those were necessarily as low as our seasons have been recently...
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I'm late to the party so I assume this has already been mentioned, but my guess is most people correlate his offer list filled with prestigious universities, his GPA, and his chosen degree (aeronautical engineering?) with his football IQ. This combined with his obvious all around athleticism (plays baseball too) and "the new guy" effect has garnered much popularity, at least on this forum.
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Bingo. And well summarized/stated. He's got a wunderkind vibe around him and people are responding to it.
 
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